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[OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
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Publius Maximus
2010-03-21 01:41:16 UTC
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http://bit.ly/a60JF2

- - -
One can make arguments for permitting porn and for banning porn, but
there isn’t a lot to be said for the bureaucratization of porn. Hard
to believe there will be dull, bespoke California bureaucrats looking
forward to early retirement on gold-plated pensions who’ll be getting
home, sinking into the La-Z-Boy and complaining to the missus about a
tough day at the office working on the permits for Debbie Does the
Fresno OSHA Office.

Meanwhile, Obamacare will result in the creation of at least 16,500
new jobs. Doctors? Nurses? Ha! Dream on, suckers. That’s 16,500 new
IRS agents, who’ll be needed to check whether you — yes, you, Mr. and
Mrs. Hopendope of 27 Hopeychangey Gardens — are in compliance with the
15 tax increases and dozens of new federal mandates the Deemocrats are
about to “deem” into existence. This will be the biggest expansion of
the IRS since World War II — and that’s change you can believe in.
This is what “health” “care” “reform” boils down to: fewer doctors,
longer wait times, but more bureaucrats. And, when you walk into the
Health Care Enforcement Division of the IRS, the staffing levels will
make Madelyne Hernandez’s group-sex scene look like an Equity-minimum
one-man play off-off-off Broadway.

Barack Obama, a man who not so long ago had time to jet across the
world to make dreary Olympics-losing speeches about how his kind of
town Chicago is, has now postponed his presidential visits to
Indonesia and Australia in order to make sure “health care” passes
this week — or, at any rate, is “deemed” to have passed, which is
apparently the way a quarter-millennium-old constitutional republic
does things.

The president, his press secretary informs us, regrets having to
postpone his trip for three months, but “passage of the
health-insurance reform is of paramount importance.” Whereas Australia
isn’t.

...

Investor’s Business Daily argues that the “health” debate is really a
proxy fight on the size and role of government. According to their
poll, 64 percent of people think the federal government has “too much
power.” Correct. But a big chunk of that 64 percent voted less than 18
months ago for a man and a party explicitly committed to more
government with more power, and they’re now living with the
consequences. Obama is government, and government is Obama. That’s all
he knows and all he’s ever known. You elected to the highest office in
the land a man who’s never run a business or created wealth or made a
payroll, and for his entire adult life has hung out with guys who’ve
demonized (deemonized?) such grubby activities. Many of which
associates he appointed to high office: Obama’s cabinet has less
experience of private business than any in the last century. What it
knows is government, and government’s default mode is to grow, and
grow.

...
- - -

Although news reports have it that the Democrats have, as of today,
dropped the Demon Pass strategy (we'll know soon enough if that's
true, but it hardly matters since either way they're strong-arming
this monstrosity down everyone's throats, including the
soon-to-be-axed-by-the-taxpayers gullets of their own caucus), this
(yet another) Steyn classic really puts the whole boondoggle in
perspective.

BTW, I discovered in this article something I agree with Barack Obama
about: namely, the importance of Australia. Imagine that! ;)

- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country,
under an efficient government, will probably be an increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust." [Federalist Papers #59]
geoff
2010-03-21 01:53:58 UTC
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|| BTW, I discovered in this article something I agree with Barack Obama
about: namely, the importance of Australia. Imagine that! ;)||

laugh all you like bob, but keep in mind which country has the BEST ECONOMY
IN THE WORLD. Yep - australia. Booming economy, unemployment retreating from
its HIGH of 5%, inflation under control. Interest rates low but not in the
toilet. Even the drought is disappearing! And our crime rate is about a
millionth of yours and even the weather is better.

So apparently Obama doesnt care about australia. You have no idea how few
people here actually care about that. When we drive to our golden beaches on
the days off from our near full employment we dont really envy much about
the 'land of the free' that incarcerates at the rate of a full 10 times
ours. We dont care a great deal about a country whose military is second to
none but whose health care system is second to almost everyone. We watch in
abject amazement at the unrestrained greed and corruption; the massive crime
rate and the economy teetering on the edge of an abyss. Frankly if you want
to know how to run a truly egalitarian society, funded by a sustainable
world-class economy then perhaps you should come on over here and learn how
it's done. We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.


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http://bit.ly/a60JF2

- - -
One can make arguments for permitting porn and for banning porn, but
there isn't a lot to be said for the bureaucratization of porn. Hard
to believe there will be dull, bespoke California bureaucrats looking
forward to early retirement on gold-plated pensions who'll be getting
home, sinking into the La-Z-Boy and complaining to the missus about a
tough day at the office working on the permits for Debbie Does the
Fresno OSHA Office.

Meanwhile, Obamacare will result in the creation of at least 16,500
new jobs. Doctors? Nurses? Ha! Dream on, suckers. That's 16,500 new
IRS agents, who'll be needed to check whether you - yes, you, Mr. and
Mrs. Hopendope of 27 Hopeychangey Gardens - are in compliance with the
15 tax increases and dozens of new federal mandates the Deemocrats are
about to "deem" into existence. This will be the biggest expansion of
the IRS since World War II - and that's change you can believe in.
This is what "health" "care" "reform" boils down to: fewer doctors,
longer wait times, but more bureaucrats. And, when you walk into the
Health Care Enforcement Division of the IRS, the staffing levels will
make Madelyne Hernandez's group-sex scene look like an Equity-minimum
one-man play off-off-off Broadway.

Barack Obama, a man who not so long ago had time to jet across the
world to make dreary Olympics-losing speeches about how his kind of
town Chicago is, has now postponed his presidential visits to
Indonesia and Australia in order to make sure "health care" passes
this week - or, at any rate, is "deemed" to have passed, which is
apparently the way a quarter-millennium-old constitutional republic
does things.

The president, his press secretary informs us, regrets having to
postpone his trip for three months, but "passage of the
health-insurance reform is of paramount importance." Whereas Australia
isn't.

...

Investor's Business Daily argues that the "health" debate is really a
proxy fight on the size and role of government. According to their
poll, 64 percent of people think the federal government has "too much
power." Correct. But a big chunk of that 64 percent voted less than 18
months ago for a man and a party explicitly committed to more
government with more power, and they're now living with the
consequences. Obama is government, and government is Obama. That's all
he knows and all he's ever known. You elected to the highest office in
the land a man who's never run a business or created wealth or made a
payroll, and for his entire adult life has hung out with guys who've
demonized (deemonized?) such grubby activities. Many of which
associates he appointed to high office: Obama's cabinet has less
experience of private business than any in the last century. What it
knows is government, and government's default mode is to grow, and
grow.

...
- - -

Although news reports have it that the Democrats have, as of today,
dropped the Demon Pass strategy (we'll know soon enough if that's
true, but it hardly matters since either way they're strong-arming
this monstrosity down everyone's throats, including the
soon-to-be-axed-by-the-taxpayers gullets of their own caucus), this
(yet another) Steyn classic really puts the whole boondoggle in
perspective.

BTW, I discovered in this article something I agree with Barack Obama
about: namely, the importance of Australia. Imagine that! ;)

- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country,
under an efficient government, will probably be an increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust." [Federalist Papers #59]

[excessive quoting removed by server]
Publius Maximus
2010-03-21 02:08:03 UTC
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Post by geoff
|| BTW, I discovered in this article something I agree with Barack Obama
about: namely, the importance of Australia. Imagine that! ;)||
laugh all you like bob, but keep in mind which country has the BEST ECONOMY
IN THE WORLD.
At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!

- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country,
under an efficient government, will probably be an increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust." [Federalist Papers #59]
geoff
2010-03-21 02:11:38 UTC
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|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!||

thats the best you can do??? Obviously you much prefer wallowing in the
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the wide-open spaces of a warm
an genuinely free society with nearly full employment. Enjoy yourself!!!


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Post by geoff
|| BTW, I discovered in this article something I agree with Barack Obama
about: namely, the importance of Australia. Imagine that! ;)||
laugh all you like bob, but keep in mind which country has the BEST ECONOMY
IN THE WORLD.
At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!

- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this country,
under an efficient government, will probably be an increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust." [Federalist Papers #59]

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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 05:16:01 UTC
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Once again, you don't have a former slave population and you don't have illegals flowing across your borders. you're lucky to be surrounded by water
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:11 PM
|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely
2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!||
thats the best you can do???  Obviously you much
prefer wallowing in the
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the wide-open
spaces of a warm
an genuinely free society with nearly full employment.
Enjoy yourself!!!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Publius Maximus
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 12:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
|| BTW, I discovered in this article something I agree
with Barack Obama
Post by geoff
about: namely, the importance of Australia. Imagine
that! ;)||
Post by geoff
laugh all you like bob, but keep in mind which country
has the BEST
ECONOMY
Post by geoff
IN THE WORLD.
At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of Obama's
average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!
- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this
country,
under an efficient government, will probably be an
increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that
enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of
foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted
by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can
be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but
those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the
faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust." [Federalist Papers
#5[excessive quoting removed by server]
geoff
2010-03-21 05:47:47 UTC
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Australia had a very significant English convict heritage so I'm not sure
what you are trying to say. And your 'slave population' was 100% your own
fault and a disgraceful part of your history. Hardly a problem you can pass
off to someone else.


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Of Michael Madigan
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Once again, you don't have a former slave population and you don't have
illegals flowing across your borders. you're lucky to be surrounded by
water
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:11 PM
|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely
2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!||
thats the best you can do???  Obviously you much
prefer wallowing in the
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the wide-open
spaces of a warm
an genuinely free society with nearly full employment.
Enjoy yourself!!!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Publius Maximus
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 12:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
|| BTW, I discovered in this article something I agree
with Barack Obama
Post by geoff
about: namely, the importance of Australia. Imagine
that! ;)||
Post by geoff
laugh all you like bob, but keep in mind which country
has the BEST
ECONOMY
Post by geoff
IN THE WORLD.
At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of Obama's
average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!
- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of this
country,
under an efficient government, will probably be an
increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and that
enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues of
foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and abetted
by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case that can
be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any but
those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest in the
faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust." [Federalist Papers
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 06:06:17 UTC
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It wasn't my fault since my ancestors didn't arrive until the late 1800s.

It was disgraceful to breed people as livestock. Unfortunately they weren't bred for intelligence. Now we must live with the sins of our fathers.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 1:47 AM
Australia had a very significant
English convict heritage so I'm not sure
what you are trying to say. And your 'slave population' was
100% your own
fault and a disgraceful part of your history. Hardly a
problem you can pass
off to someone else.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 3:46 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Once again, you don't have a former slave population and
you don't have
illegals flowing across your borders.  you're lucky to
be surrounded by
water
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:11 PM
|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely
2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!||
thats the best you can do???  Obviously you much
prefer wallowing in the
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the
wide-open
spaces of a warm
an genuinely free society with nearly full
employment.
Enjoy yourself!!!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Publius Maximus
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 12:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
|| BTW, I discovered in this article something I
agree
with Barack Obama
Post by geoff
about: namely, the importance of Australia.
Imagine
that! ;)||
Post by geoff
laugh all you like bob, but keep in mind which
country
has the BEST
ECONOMY
Post by geoff
IN THE WORLD.
At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of
Obama's
average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!
- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of
this
country,
under an efficient government, will probably be an
increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and
that
enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues
of
foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and
abetted
by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case
that can
be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any
but
those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest
in the
faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust." [excessive quoting removed by server]
geoff
2010-03-21 06:13:12 UTC
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You really don’t know why people consider you a redneck racist do you?


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It wasn't my fault since my ancestors didn't arrive until the late 1800s.

It was disgraceful to breed people as livestock. Unfortunately they weren't
bred for intelligence. Now we must live with the sins of our fathers.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 1:47 AM
Australia had a very significant
English convict heritage so I'm not sure
what you are trying to say. And your 'slave population' was
100% your own
fault and a disgraceful part of your history. Hardly a
problem you can pass
off to someone else.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 3:46 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Once again, you don't have a former slave population and
you don't have
illegals flowing across your borders.  you're lucky to
be surrounded by
water
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:11 PM
|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely
2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!||
thats the best you can do???  Obviously you much
prefer wallowing in the
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the
wide-open
spaces of a warm
an genuinely free society with nearly full
employment.
Enjoy yourself!!!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Publius Maximus
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 12:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
|| BTW, I discovered in this article something I
agree
with Barack Obama
Post by geoff
about: namely, the importance of Australia.
Imagine
that! ;)||
Post by geoff
laugh all you like bob, but keep in mind which
country
has the BEST
ECONOMY
Post by geoff
IN THE WORLD.
At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of
Obama's
average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!
- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm union of
this
country,
under an efficient government, will probably be an
increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe; and
that
enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the intrigues
of
foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized and
abetted
by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no case
that can
be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of any
but
those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate interest
in the
faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust." [excessive quoting removed by server]
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Ricardo Aráoz
2010-03-21 13:00:58 UTC
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You really don’t know why people consider you a redneck racist do you?
-----Original Message-----
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 4:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
It wasn't my fault since my ancestors didn't arrive until the late 1800s.
It was disgraceful to breed people as livestock. Unfortunately they weren't
bred for intelligence. Now we must live with the sins of our fathers.
Late 1800s?!?!??!?!?!
That explains a lot!
Newcomers always try too hard... and they fail miserably. Just like new
money.



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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 19:34:25 UTC
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I'm agreeing with you, that makes you a Racist too.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 2:13 AM
You really don’t know why people
consider you a redneck racist do you?
-----Original Message-----
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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 4:36 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
It wasn't my fault since my ancestors didn't arrive until
the late 1800s.
It was disgraceful to breed people as livestock. 
Unfortunately they weren't
bred for intelligence.  Now we must live with the sins
of our fathers.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 1:47 AM
Australia had a very significant
English convict heritage so I'm not sure
what you are trying to say. And your 'slave
population' was
100% your own
fault and a disgraceful part of your history. Hardly
a
problem you can pass
off to someone else.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 3:46 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Once again, you don't have a former slave population
and
you don't have
illegals flowing across your borders.  you're lucky
to
be surrounded by
water
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 10:11 PM
|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely
2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get
real!||
thats the best you can do???  Obviously you
much
prefer wallowing in the
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the
wide-open
spaces of a warm
an genuinely free society with nearly full
employment.
Enjoy yourself!!!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Publius Maximus
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 12:38 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
|| BTW, I discovered in this article
something I
agree
with Barack Obama
Post by geoff
about: namely, the importance of Australia.
Imagine
that! ;)||
Post by geoff
laugh all you like bob, but keep in mind
which
country
has the BEST
ECONOMY
Post by geoff
IN THE WORLD.
At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size
of
Obama's
average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get
real!
- Publius
--
"It ought never to be forgotten, that a firm
union of
this
country,
under an efficient government, will probably be
an
increasing object
of jealousy to more than one nation of Europe;
and
that
enterprises to
subvert it will sometimes originate in the
intrigues
of
foreign
powers, and will seldom fail to be patronized
and
abetted
by some of
them. Its preservation, therefore ought in no
case
that can
be
avoided, to be committed to the guardianship of
any
but
those whose
situation will uniformly beget an immediate
interest
in the
faithful
and vigilant performance of the trust."
[excessive quoting removed by
server]
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John Harvey
2010-03-21 06:26:20 UTC
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You might want to re-read the history on slavery in the US. The African
natives captured other tribes and sold them to the other countries (not the
US, like Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, etc, who sold some to the US.
Slavery is still going on in parts of Africa, particularly by the Arabs.


John Harvey
geoff
2010-03-21 07:09:17 UTC
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Im not sure how ONLY being the purchaser and not the original capturer
changes the equation in any significant way. It is factually interesting but
morally irrelevant.


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You might want to re-read the history on slavery in the US. The African
natives captured other tribes and sold them to the other countries (not the
US, like Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, etc, who sold some to the US.
Slavery is still going on in parts of Africa, particularly by the Arabs.


John Harvey


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Ricardo Aráoz
2010-03-21 13:02:15 UTC
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Post by geoff
Im not sure how ONLY being the purchaser and not the original capturer
changes the equation in any significant way. It is factually interesting but
morally irrelevant.
You are wrong, it is morally relevant! It says a lot about Johnny's
moral fiber.
Post by geoff
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You might want to re-read the history on slavery in the US. The African
natives captured other tribes and sold them to the other countries (not the
US, like Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, etc, who sold some to the US.
Slavery is still going on in parts of Africa, particularly by the Arabs.
John Harvey
John Harvey
2010-03-21 14:49:14 UTC
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The reason I pointed this out, is you intimated that the US was the only
country involved in this, and therefore we are the epicenter of evil. The
facts show that Africans participated in the act of slavery, moreso than
anyone else. Otherwise, there would not have been a slave trade industry.
They are still involved in this practice, but the US doesn't participate.
Sex slaves are being sold, according to many sources, to Russia and many
eastern bloc countries, as well as Arab countries.

So, I don't think you can impune the United States integrity with something
that happened 200 years ago. Haven't you heard we have a black man for
president?


John Harvey

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Im not sure how ONLY being the purchaser and not the original capturer
changes the equation in any significant way. It is factually interesting but
morally irrelevant.


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You might want to re-read the history on slavery in the US. The African
natives captured other tribes and sold them to the other countries (not the
US, like Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, etc, who sold some to the US.
Slavery is still going on in parts of Africa, particularly by the Arabs.


John Harvey


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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 19:35:28 UTC
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Almost every country had slavery at one time or another. Some still do.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 3:09 AM
Im not sure how ONLY being the
purchaser and not the original capturer
changes the equation in any significant way. It is
factually interesting but
morally irrelevant.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of John Harvey
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 4:56 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
You might want to re-read the history on slavery in the US.
The African
natives captured other tribes and sold them to the other
countries (not the
US, like Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, etc, who sold
some to the US.
Slavery is still going on in parts of Africa, particularly
by  the Arabs.
John Harvey
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geoff
2010-03-21 21:41:58 UTC
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Not even close to true - like most of your posts. Australia didn’t.

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Almost every country had slavery at one time or another. Some still do.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 3:09 AM
Im not sure how ONLY being the
purchaser and not the original capturer
changes the equation in any significant way. It is
factually interesting but
morally irrelevant.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of John Harvey
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 4:56 PM
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You might want to re-read the history on slavery in the US.
The African
natives captured other tribes and sold them to the other
countries (not the
US, like Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, etc, who sold
some to the US.
Slavery is still going on in parts of Africa, particularly
by  the Arabs.
John Harvey
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 21:48:12 UTC
Permalink
Of course it didn't, you wouldn't give criminals slaves to own.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 5:41 PM
Not even close to true - like most of
your posts. Australia didn’t.
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Almost every country had slavery at one time or
another.  Some still do.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 3:09 AM
Im not sure how ONLY being the
purchaser and not the original capturer
changes the equation in any significant way. It is
factually interesting but
morally irrelevant.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of John Harvey
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 4:56 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
You might want to re-read the history on slavery in
the US.
The African
natives captured other tribes and sold them to the
other
countries (not the
US, like Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, etc, who
sold
some to the US.
Slavery is still going on in parts of Africa,
particularly
by  the Arabs.
John Harvey
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Pete Theisen
2010-03-21 08:24:23 UTC
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Post by John Harvey
You might want to re-read the history on slavery in the US. The African
natives captured other tribes and sold them to the other countries (not the
US, like Portugal, Spain, The Netherlands, etc, who sold some to the US.
Slavery is still going on in parts of Africa, particularly by the Arabs.
Hi John,

And, some American former slaves went to Africa, bought themselves some
slaves and set up plantations, LOL.
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Pete Theisen
2010-03-21 08:13:42 UTC
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Post by geoff
|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!||
thats the best you can do??? Obviously you much prefer wallowing in the
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the wide-open spaces of a warm
an genuinely free society with nearly full employment. Enjoy yourself!!!
Hi Geoff,

Free society? They let you have guns again?
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geoff
2010-03-21 08:15:07 UTC
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You need to read a book called The Trigger which actually addresses this
question. It is a fictional novel about a device which renders guns
inoperative over a fixed area and discussed if this makes people safer or
not. It is an excellent book that I am sure you would enjoy. It is not
anti-gun nor pro-gun but makes an excellent conceptual vision.

I still don't understand how the right to own a gun which then becomes the
virtual obligation/necessity to own a gun is somehow connected with
'freedom'.

And Australian freedom is multi-faceted. I feel much safer here than I would
in the USA. And wages are better too generally especially since more of us
actually have them to spend!

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Post by geoff
|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of Obama's average
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!||
thats the best you can do??? Obviously you much prefer wallowing in the
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the wide-open spaces of a warm
an genuinely free society with nearly full employment. Enjoy yourself!!!
Hi Geoff,

Free society? They let you have guns again?
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 19:37:58 UTC
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In Chile, armed citizens were able to protect their neighborhoods after the earthquake. There weren't enough police to protect them.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 4:15 AM
You need to read a book called The
Trigger which actually addresses this
question. It is a fictional novel about a device which
renders guns
inoperative over a fixed area and discussed if this makes
people safer or
not. It is an excellent book that I am sure you would
enjoy. It is not
anti-gun nor pro-gun but makes an excellent conceptual
vision.
I still don't understand how the right to own a gun which
then becomes the
virtual obligation/necessity to own a gun is somehow
connected with
'freedom'.
And Australian freedom is multi-faceted. I feel much safer
here than I would
in the USA. And wages are better too generally especially
since more of us
actually have them to spend!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 6:44 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
|| At $1 trillion, your GDP is barely 2/3 the size of
Obama's average
Post by geoff
annual budget deficit, 2 years running. Get real!||
thats the best you can do???  Obviously you much
prefer wallowing in the
Post by geoff
morass of crime and recession than enjoying the
wide-open spaces of a warm
Post by geoff
an genuinely free society with nearly full employment.
Enjoy yourself!!!
Hi Geoff,
Free society? They let you have guns again?
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2010-03-21 08:09:23 UTC
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Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
Hi Geoff,

I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.

Did they ever fix the hot tram interiors?
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geoff
2010-03-21 08:07:56 UTC
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Yeah. They extended the length of the trams and retrofitted them with aussie
airconditioners for aussie conditions (not northern European conditions)

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Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
Hi Geoff,

I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.

Did they ever fix the hot tram interiors?
--
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Pete
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Pete Theisen
2010-03-21 08:26:24 UTC
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Post by geoff
Yeah. They extended the length of the trams and retrofitted them with aussie
airconditioners for aussie conditions (not northern European conditions)
Hi Geoff,

Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
Did they ever fix the hot tram interiors?
--
Regards,

Pete
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geoff
2010-03-21 08:43:36 UTC
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If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.

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Post by geoff
Yeah. They extended the length of the trams and retrofitted them with aussie
airconditioners for aussie conditions (not northern European conditions)
Hi Geoff,

Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
Did they ever fix the hot tram interiors?
--
Regards,

Pete
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http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Ricardo Aráoz
2010-03-21 13:08:35 UTC
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Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
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Sent: Sunday, 21 March 2010 6:56 PM
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Post by geoff
Yeah. They extended the length of the trams and retrofitted them with
aussie
Post by geoff
airconditioners for aussie conditions (not northern European conditions)
Hi Geoff,
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Isn't it illegal in USA to carry a CONCEALED weapon?



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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 19:43:15 UTC
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Not if you have a concealed weapons permit.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 9:08 AM
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here
you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an
aussie jail.
Post by geoff
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Post by geoff
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Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
   
Post by geoff
Yeah. They extended the length of the trams and
retrofitted them with
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
     
aussie
   
Post by geoff
airconditioners for aussie conditions (not
northern European conditions)
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
     
Hi Geoff,
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams.
Would feel naked
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
   
Isn't it illegal in USA to carry a CONCEALED weapon?
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Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,

I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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geoff
2010-03-21 21:36:04 UTC
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Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.

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Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,

I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html

Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
--
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Pete
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Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-21 21:40:52 UTC
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everybody?
or just the peasants?

not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??

curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
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Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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geoff
2010-03-21 22:34:11 UTC
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You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most appealing!


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everybody?
or just the peasants?

not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??

curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
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Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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2010-03-21 22:35:52 UTC
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figured so.
my dad worked in the oil field down there and married a lady from perth,
I believe it was..
I have a half sister down there somewhere...
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most appealing!
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Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
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everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
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Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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geoff
2010-03-21 22:38:26 UTC
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My nephew is earning $200,000 after tax for a 60hr week in the mining
industry as a boiler maker up in N/W Western Australia. Not my idea of fun
but damned good money!


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figured so.
my dad worked in the oil field down there and married a lady from perth,
I believe it was..
I have a half sister down there somewhere...
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most appealing!
-----Original Message-----
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-21 23:03:26 UTC
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I hear you.
I made about 140,000 in 02
it sure was nice, but its been down hill ever since then.

here is to hoping that prosperity continues for your nephew and others..
matter of fact, I think I'll go outside and put the meat on and open a
cold one and drink one to your nephew and others like him out there..
Post by geoff
My nephew is earning $200,000 after tax for a 60hr week in the mining
industry as a boiler maker up in N/W Western Australia. Not my idea of fun
but damned good money!
-----Original Message-----
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 9:06 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
figured so.
my dad worked in the oil field down there and married a lady from perth,
I believe it was..
I have a half sister down there somewhere...
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A shoot-out is big
news.
Post by geoff
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most appealing!
-----Original Message-----
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
Behalf
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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Post by geoff
02:33:00
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 23:27:45 UTC
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In the United States, he would be paying an extra Obama tax.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:38 PM
My nephew is earning $200,000 after
tax for a 60hr week in the mining
industry as a boiler maker up in N/W Western Australia. Not
my idea of fun
but damned good money!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 9:06 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
figured so.
my dad worked in the oil field down there and married a
lady from perth,
I believe it was..
I have a half sister down there somewhere...
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but
even most criminals
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A
shoot-out is big
news.
Post by geoff
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most
appealing!
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the
aussie's, just
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and police
probably have guns
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should you stray
off of their
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here,
I might sure
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time because any
country that has
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
   
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and
end of your definition of
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On
Behalf
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
     
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years
in an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
       
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
     
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
       
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than
you, but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
         
 
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
       
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that people
can't make that connection.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
03/21/10
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
         
02:33:00
   
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
         
   
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 23:24:19 UTC
Permalink
Maybe Geoff is your sister
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:35 PM
figured so.
my dad worked in the oil field down there and married a
lady from perth,
I believe it was..
I have a half sister down there somewhere...
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but
even most criminals
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A
shoot-out is big news.
Post by geoff
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most
appealing!
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the
aussie's, just
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and police
probably have guns
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should you stray
off of their
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here,
I might sure
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time because any
country that has
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
   
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and
end of your definition of
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
     
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years
in an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
       
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
     
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
       
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than
you, but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
         
 
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
       
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that people
can't make that connection.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
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Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
         
02:33:00
   
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
         
   
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2010-03-21 23:27:46 UTC
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and you wonder why you make very few friends??
Post by Michael Madigan
Maybe Geoff is your sister
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:35 PM
figured so.
my dad worked in the oil field down there and married a
lady from perth,
I believe it was..
I have a half sister down there somewhere...
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but
even most criminals
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A
shoot-out is big news.
Post by geoff
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most
appealing!
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the
aussie's, just
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and police
probably have guns
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should you stray
off of their
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here,
I might sure
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time because any
country that has
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and
end of your definition of
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years
in an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than
you, but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people
can't make that connection.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Post by geoff
02:33:00
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 23:23:07 UTC
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I'll move to Australia if you promise never to elect an incompetent Black Muslim Prime Minister.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:34 PM
You will like Australia. Yes the cops
have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A
shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most
appealing!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the
aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police
probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off
of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I
might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any
country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of
your definition of
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
   
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in
an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
     
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
   
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
     
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you,
but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
         
     
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that people can't
make that connection.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
       
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Post by geoff
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2010-03-21 23:34:34 UTC
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I don’t think we wont you here. Pro-gun racists don’t find this a
comfortable place to be.

-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 9:53 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy

I'll move to Australia if you promise never to elect an incompetent Black
Muslim Prime Minister.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:34 PM
You will like Australia. Yes the cops
have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A
shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most
appealing!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the
aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police
probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off
of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I
might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any
country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of
your definition of
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
   
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in
an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
     
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
   
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
     
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you,
but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
         
     
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that people can't
make that connection.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
       
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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02:33:00
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
       
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-22 07:21:41 UTC
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What would it matter if I were a racist, you don't allow Black people to be prime minister anyway.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 7:34 PM
I don’t think we wont you here.
Pro-gun racists don’t find this a
comfortable place to be.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 9:53 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
I'll move to Australia if you promise never to elect an
incompetent Black
Muslim Prime Minister.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:34 PM
You will like Australia. Yes the cops
have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A
shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most
appealing!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the
aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police
probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray
off
of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here,
I
might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any
country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and
end of
your definition of
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
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Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few
years in
an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
     
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
   
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride
the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
     
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than
you,
but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
         
     
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that people
can't
make that connection.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
       
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geoff
2010-03-22 08:00:38 UTC
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We do and unlike you, we never made them stand up in buses in preference to white people.

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Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 5:52 PM
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Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy

What would it matter if I were a racist, you don't allow Black people to be prime minister anyway.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 7:34 PM
I don’t think we wont you here.
Pro-gun racists don’t find this a
comfortable place to be.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 9:53 AM
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I'll move to Australia if you promise never to elect an
incompetent Black
Muslim Prime Minister.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:34 PM
You will like Australia. Yes the cops
have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A
shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most
appealing!
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the
aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police
probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray
off
of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here,
I
might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any
country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and
end of
your definition of
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
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Post by geoff
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Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few
years in
an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride
the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than
you,
but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people
can't
make that connection.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-22 16:35:43 UTC
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That's because you didn't have any, they were a novelty.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:00 AM
We do and unlike you, we never made
them stand up in buses in preference to white people.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 5:52 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
What would it matter if I were a racist, you don't allow
Black people to be prime minister anyway.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 7:34 PM
I don’t think we wont you here.
Pro-gun racists don’t find this a
comfortable place to be.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 9:53 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
I'll move to Australia if you promise never to elect
an
incompetent Black
Muslim Prime Minister.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 6:34 PM
You will like Australia. Yes the cops
have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be
used. A
shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is
most
appealing!
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire
the
aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and
police
probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you
stray
off
of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work
here,
I
might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because
any
country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning
and
end of
your definition of
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of
our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
   
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a
few
years in
an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
     
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a
number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
   
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to
ride
the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket,
however.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
     
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires
than
you,
but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
       
 
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
     
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that
people
can't
make that connection.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
       
No virus found in this incoming
message.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
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Nicholas Geti
2010-03-22 21:48:42 UTC
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You mean that out in the bush, people are not allowed to have guns?


----- Original Message -----
From: "geoff" <***@adam.com.au>
To: "'ProFox Email List'" <***@leafe.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most appealing!
-----Original Message-----
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
No virus found in this incoming message.
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geoff
2010-03-22 22:17:06 UTC
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They have to have a licence and training. And when i say 'licence' don't
think of it in American terms. It is more like a drivers licence where you
actually have to learn how to use it and you aren't allowed to own an RPG to
shoot rabbits.


-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 8:19 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy

You mean that out in the bush, people are not allowed to have guns?


----- Original Message -----
From: "geoff" <***@adam.com.au>
To: "'ProFox Email List'" <***@leafe.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most appealing!
-----Original Message-----
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad <grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 02:35:09 UTC
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Post by geoff
They have to have a licence and training. And when i say 'licence' don't
think of it in American terms. It is more like a drivers licence where you
actually have to learn how to use it and you aren't allowed to own an RPG to
shoot rabbits.
Hi Geoff,

Surely you don't believe that we shoot rabbits in the states with RPGs.
In Australia, however, you may need something like that to keep up with
the legendary Aussie bunnies.

Joking aside, how is the rabbit problem going?
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Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-23 02:32:53 UTC
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if we had guns like that when I was a kid, we would have..
kids nowadays would rather play their video games..
we would load up a pickup with beer, guns and lots of fun and go chasing
through the night.
Those were the days...
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
They have to have a licence and training. And when i say 'licence' don't
think of it in American terms. It is more like a drivers licence where you
actually have to learn how to use it and you aren't allowed to own an RPG to
shoot rabbits.
Hi Geoff,
Surely you don't believe that we shoot rabbits in the states with RPGs.
In Australia, however, you may need something like that to keep up with
the legendary Aussie bunnies.
Joking aside, how is the rabbit problem going?
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Leland F. Jackson, CPA
2010-03-23 00:16:13 UTC
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The concealed carry law varies from state to state. In Texas it is
usually legal to carry a concealed handgun even without a concealed
carry license.

http://www.burtonranch.com/

Regards,

LelandJ
Post by Nicholas Geti
You mean that out in the bush, people are not allowed to have guns?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns but even most criminals
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be used. A shoot-out is big news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is most appealing!
-----Original Message-----
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire the aussie's, just
referring to the fact that your military and police probably have guns
that will allow them to round you up should you stray off of their
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work here, I might sure
think about visiting for a very long time because any country that has
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
03/21/10
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-23 01:10:41 UTC
Permalink
Don't mess with Texas.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:16 PM
The concealed carry law varies from
state to state.  In Texas it is
usually legal to carry a concealed handgun even without a
concealed
carry license.
http://www.burtonranch.com/
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Nicholas Geti
You mean that out in the bush, people are not allowed
to have guns?
Post by Nicholas Geti
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
   
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns
but even most criminals
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be
used. A shoot-out is big
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is
most appealing!
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire
the aussie's, just
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and
police probably have guns
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should you
stray off of their
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work
here, I might sure
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time because
any country that has
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
     
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning
and end of your definition of
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of
our freedom is the knowledge
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
       
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport here you'd end up naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few
years in an aussie jail.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
         
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number
of states, so, yes, we
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
       
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride
the trams. Would feel naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
         
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires
than you, but we also have far,
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
         
   
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
         
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that
people can't make that connection.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
No virus found in this incoming
message.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
03/21/10
         
 
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geoff
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Coz they will execute you with scant regard to evidence.

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Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:41 AM
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Don't mess with Texas.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:16 PM
The concealed carry law varies from
state to state.  In Texas it is
usually legal to carry a concealed handgun even without a
concealed
carry license.
http://www.burtonranch.com/
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Nicholas Geti
You mean that out in the bush, people are not allowed
to have guns?
Post by Nicholas Geti
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Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
   
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have guns
but even most criminals
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to be
used. A shoot-out is big
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality is
most appealing!
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
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On Behalf
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I admire
the aussie's, just
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and
police probably have guns
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should you
stray off of their
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to work
here, I might sure
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time because
any country that has
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
     
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning
and end of your definition of
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of
our freedom is the knowledge
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
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Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
       
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport here you'd end up naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few
years in an aussie jail.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
         
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number
of states, so, yes, we
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
       
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride
the trams. Would feel naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
         
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires
than you, but we also have far,
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
         
   
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
         
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that
people can't make that connection.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
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No virus found in this incoming
message.
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-23 01:16:30 UTC
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God Bless Texas
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:13 PM
Coz they will execute you with scant
regard to evidence.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:41 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Don't mess with Texas.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:16 PM
The concealed carry law varies from
state to state.  In Texas it is
usually legal to carry a concealed handgun even
without a
Post by geoff
concealed
carry license.
http://www.burtonranch.com/
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Nicholas Geti
You mean that out in the bush, people are not
allowed
Post by geoff
to have guns?
Post by Nicholas Geti
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
   
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have
guns
Post by geoff
but even most criminals
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to
be
Post by geoff
used. A shoot-out is big
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality
is
Post by geoff
most appealing!
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I
admire
Post by geoff
the aussie's, just
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and
police probably have guns
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should
you
Post by geoff
stray off of their
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to
work
Post by geoff
here, I might sure
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time
because
Post by geoff
any country that has
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
     
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the
beginning
Post by geoff
and end of your definition of
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part
of
Post by geoff
our freedom is the knowledge
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
       
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport here you'd end up naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a
few
Post by geoff
years in an aussie jail.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
         
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a
number
Post by geoff
of states, so, yes, we
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
       
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to
ride
Post by geoff
the trams. Would feel naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket,
however.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
         
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less
billionaires
Post by geoff
than you, but we also have far,
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as
well.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
         
   
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
         
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that
people can't make that connection.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
No virus found in this incoming
message.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.791 / Virus
03/21/10
         
 
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
02:33:00
     
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Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
         
 
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
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Post by Michael Madigan
God Bless Texas
I'm a little worried about Governor Rick Perry. He was born and raised
in Paint Creek, Texas about 60 miles N/NE of Abilene. As near as I can
tell, Governor Perry is about four clicks to the right of former
President George W Bush, who himself was petty far to the right.
Governor Perry is running for a third term, and just defeated Senator
Kay Bailey Hutchinson, who President George W. Bush supported, to win
the Republican primary. He ran against Senator Hutchinson by portraying
her as a Washington insider and big pork barrel spender, which played
well on the strong anti-fed government sentiment of Texans. One of his
political ads mention his support of the 10th amendment to the USA
constitution, which he said is suppose to keep the federal government
from interfering with Texas business.

I believe Governor Perry has Presidential ambitions, and I wouldn't be
surprised to see him run for president in 2012. He has run Texas for
the last 10 years from a small, very extreme group of Republicans, who
are not really representative of the Texas Republican Party. The Texas
Board of Education, which he appointed, has changed the education
curriculum to make it appear that conservative views are mainstream,
when they really aren't. I'm providing a link to an article that
appeared 3/13/2010 in the New York Times.

Governor Perry would probably sucede Texas from the USA, and set her up
as an autonomous, sovereign country, if he though he could get away with
it. Religious Righters running government spell bad news, so I'm a
strong supporter of separation of church and state.

Randy Neugebauer is my House of Representatives congressman from the
Texas 17th district, and he distinguished himself yesterday during the
vote on health care by calling one of his Democratic colleagues a baby
killer, LOL , so that the kind of extremism I'm dealing with here in
Abilene.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry

Regards,

LelandJ
Post by Michael Madigan
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:13 PM
Coz they will execute you with scant
regard to evidence.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:41 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Don't mess with Texas.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:16 PM
The concealed carry law varies from
state to state. In Texas it is
usually legal to carry a concealed handgun even
without a
Post by geoff
concealed
carry license.
http://www.burtonranch.com/
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Nicholas Geti
You mean that out in the bush, people are not
allowed
Post by geoff
to have guns?
Post by Nicholas Geti
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have
guns
Post by geoff
but even most criminals
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to
be
Post by geoff
used. A shoot-out is big
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality
is
Post by geoff
most appealing!
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I
admire
Post by geoff
the aussie's, just
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and
police probably have guns
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should
you
Post by geoff
stray off of their
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to
work
Post by geoff
here, I might sure
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time
because
Post by geoff
any country that has
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the
beginning
Post by geoff
and end of your definition of
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part
of
Post by geoff
our freedom is the knowledge
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport here you'd end up naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a
few
Post by geoff
years in an aussie jail.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a
number
Post by geoff
of states, so, yes, we
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to
ride
Post by geoff
the trams. Would feel naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket,
however.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less
billionaires
Post by geoff
than you, but we also have far,
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as
well.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that
people can't make that connection.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
No virus found in this incoming
message.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
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Version: 9.0.791 / Virus
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John Harvey
2010-03-23 03:39:40 UTC
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If it weren't so flat and dry, Texas sounds like a great place to live.


John Harvey
Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-23 03:42:50 UTC
Permalink
Leland, as one of the opposite camp..
I'd take 10 perry's over one hutchinson and I don't like either one of them.

For you, or me to think that our viewpoint is the mainstream is the
height of hypocrisy

For myself, I would much rather let the voters decide, and they decided
that hutchison is a washington insider and a big pork barrel spender
and I personally would like to see her and her likes permanently retired..
Post by Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Post by Michael Madigan
God Bless Texas
I'm a little worried about Governor Rick Perry. He was born and raised
in Paint Creek, Texas about 60 miles N/NE of Abilene. As near as I can
tell, Governor Perry is about four clicks to the right of former
President George W Bush, who himself was petty far to the right.
Governor Perry is running for a third term, and just defeated Senator
Kay Bailey Hutchinson, who President George W. Bush supported, to win
the Republican primary. He ran against Senator Hutchinson by portraying
her as a Washington insider and big pork barrel spender, which played
well on the strong anti-fed government sentiment of Texans. One of his
political ads mention his support of the 10th amendment to the USA
constitution, which he said is suppose to keep the federal government
from interfering with Texas business.
I believe Governor Perry has Presidential ambitions, and I wouldn't be
surprised to see him run for president in 2012. He has run Texas for
the last 10 years from a small, very extreme group of Republicans, who
are not really representative of the Texas Republican Party. The Texas
Board of Education, which he appointed, has changed the education
curriculum to make it appear that conservative views are mainstream,
when they really aren't. I'm providing a link to an article that
appeared 3/13/2010 in the New York Times.
Governor Perry would probably sucede Texas from the USA, and set her up
as an autonomous, sovereign country, if he though he could get away with
it. Religious Righters running government spell bad news, so I'm a
strong supporter of separation of church and state.
Randy Neugebauer is my House of Representatives congressman from the
Texas 17th district, and he distinguished himself yesterday during the
vote on health care by calling one of his Democratic colleagues a baby
killer, LOL , so that the kind of extremism I'm dealing with here in
Abilene.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Michael Madigan
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:13 PM
Coz they will execute you with scant
regard to evidence.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:41 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Don't mess with Texas.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:16 PM
The concealed carry law varies from
state to state. In Texas it is
usually legal to carry a concealed handgun even
without a
Post by geoff
concealed
carry license.
http://www.burtonranch.com/
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Nicholas Geti
You mean that out in the bush, people are not
allowed
Post by geoff
to have guns?
Post by Nicholas Geti
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have
guns
Post by geoff
but even most criminals
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to
be
Post by geoff
used. A shoot-out is big
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality
is
Post by geoff
most appealing!
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I
admire
Post by geoff
the aussie's, just
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and
police probably have guns
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should
you
Post by geoff
stray off of their
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to
work
Post by geoff
here, I might sure
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time
because
Post by geoff
any country that has
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the
beginning
Post by geoff
and end of your definition of
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part
of
Post by geoff
our freedom is the knowledge
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport here you'd end up naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a
few
Post by geoff
years in an aussie jail.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a
number
Post by geoff
of states, so, yes, we
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to
ride
Post by geoff
the trams. Would feel naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket,
however.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less
billionaires
Post by geoff
than you, but we also have far,
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as
well.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that
people can't make that connection.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
No virus found in this incoming
message.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 9.0.791 / Virus
03/21/10
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2010-03-23 05:11:15 UTC
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Post by Virgil Bierschwale
Leland, as one of the opposite camp..
I'd take 10 perry's over one hutchinson and I don't like either one of them.
For you, or me to think that our viewpoint is the mainstream is the
height of hypocrisy
For myself, I would much rather let the voters decide, and they decided
that hutchison is a washington insider and a big pork barrel spender
and I personally would like to see her and her likes permanently retired..
Texas became very conservative during the George W. Bush years as
governor, but it has grown even more extreme during the last 10 years
under Governor Rick Perry. I hate to see deep seated contempt in Texas
aimed at the federal government, diversity, and democracy that provides
a balanced and honest presentation of history. Racism seem to have
gotten worse, also. There was a group here in Abilene that passed out
flier invitations to join KKK a few weeks ago. It made the news, but
the authorities never identified the perpetrators.

Americans have enough to worry about with Terrorist, durg wars along the
southern border, bird flu, natural disasters, home grown terrorism,
crime, etc, to make the Federal government an
non-conservative/non-Religious Righter conformity the enemy.

Regards,

LelandJ
Post by Virgil Bierschwale
Post by Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Post by Michael Madigan
God Bless Texas
I'm a little worried about Governor Rick Perry. He was born and raised
in Paint Creek, Texas about 60 miles N/NE of Abilene. As near as I can
tell, Governor Perry is about four clicks to the right of former
President George W Bush, who himself was petty far to the right.
Governor Perry is running for a third term, and just defeated Senator
Kay Bailey Hutchinson, who President George W. Bush supported, to win
the Republican primary. He ran against Senator Hutchinson by portraying
her as a Washington insider and big pork barrel spender, which played
well on the strong anti-fed government sentiment of Texans. One of his
political ads mention his support of the 10th amendment to the USA
constitution, which he said is suppose to keep the federal government
from interfering with Texas business.
I believe Governor Perry has Presidential ambitions, and I wouldn't be
surprised to see him run for president in 2012. He has run Texas for
the last 10 years from a small, very extreme group of Republicans, who
are not really representative of the Texas Republican Party. The Texas
Board of Education, which he appointed, has changed the education
curriculum to make it appear that conservative views are mainstream,
when they really aren't. I'm providing a link to an article that
appeared 3/13/2010 in the New York Times.
Governor Perry would probably sucede Texas from the USA, and set her up
as an autonomous, sovereign country, if he though he could get away with
it. Religious Righters running government spell bad news, so I'm a
strong supporter of separation of church and state.
Randy Neugebauer is my House of Representatives congressman from the
Texas 17th district, and he distinguished himself yesterday during the
vote on health care by calling one of his Democratic colleagues a baby
killer, LOL , so that the kind of extremism I'm dealing with here in
Abilene.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Michael Madigan
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:13 PM
Coz they will execute you with scant
regard to evidence.
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:41 AM
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Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Don't mess with Texas.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:16 PM
The concealed carry law varies from
state to state. In Texas it is
usually legal to carry a concealed handgun even
without a
Post by geoff
concealed
carry license.
http://www.burtonranch.com/
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Nicholas Geti
You mean that out in the bush, people are not
allowed
Post by geoff
to have guns?
Post by Nicholas Geti
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have
guns
Post by geoff
but even most criminals
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to
be
Post by geoff
used. A shoot-out is big
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality
is
Post by geoff
most appealing!
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I
admire
Post by geoff
the aussie's, just
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and
police probably have guns
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should
you
Post by geoff
stray off of their
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to
work
Post by geoff
here, I might sure
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time
because
Post by geoff
any country that has
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the
beginning
Post by geoff
and end of your definition of
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part
of
Post by geoff
our freedom is the knowledge
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
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Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport here you'd end up naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a
few
Post by geoff
years in an aussie jail.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a
number
Post by geoff
of states, so, yes, we
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to
ride
Post by geoff
the trams. Would feel naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket,
however.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less
billionaires
Post by geoff
than you, but we also have far,
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as
well.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that
people can't make that connection.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
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Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-23 12:43:55 UTC
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personally I think both the mindset of being a democrat or a republican
are wrong.
whatever happened to doing the right thing?

I'm not religious, but my observations have shown me that children
raised to respect adults and behave in school and taken to church by
their parents seem to do a lot better in life all the way around.

One thing I am comfortable in saying is that the people of America are
ticked off.

One reader sent in a article this morning titled VOID
That stands for Vote Out Incumbent Democrats

I added VOIR to it which means the same thing for republicans.

Virgil
http://www.KeepAmericaAtWork.com
Post by Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Post by Virgil Bierschwale
Leland, as one of the opposite camp..
I'd take 10 perry's over one hutchinson and I don't like either one of them.
For you, or me to think that our viewpoint is the mainstream is the
height of hypocrisy
For myself, I would much rather let the voters decide, and they decided
that hutchison is a washington insider and a big pork barrel spender
and I personally would like to see her and her likes permanently retired..
Texas became very conservative during the George W. Bush years as
governor, but it has grown even more extreme during the last 10 years
under Governor Rick Perry. I hate to see deep seated contempt in Texas
aimed at the federal government, diversity, and democracy that provides
a balanced and honest presentation of history. Racism seem to have
gotten worse, also. There was a group here in Abilene that passed out
flier invitations to join KKK a few weeks ago. It made the news, but
the authorities never identified the perpetrators.
Americans have enough to worry about with Terrorist, durg wars along the
southern border, bird flu, natural disasters, home grown terrorism,
crime, etc, to make the Federal government an
non-conservative/non-Religious Righter conformity the enemy.
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Virgil Bierschwale
Post by Leland F. Jackson, CPA
Post by Michael Madigan
God Bless Texas
I'm a little worried about Governor Rick Perry. He was born and raised
in Paint Creek, Texas about 60 miles N/NE of Abilene. As near as I can
tell, Governor Perry is about four clicks to the right of former
President George W Bush, who himself was petty far to the right.
Governor Perry is running for a third term, and just defeated Senator
Kay Bailey Hutchinson, who President George W. Bush supported, to win
the Republican primary. He ran against Senator Hutchinson by portraying
her as a Washington insider and big pork barrel spender, which played
well on the strong anti-fed government sentiment of Texans. One of his
political ads mention his support of the 10th amendment to the USA
constitution, which he said is suppose to keep the federal government
from interfering with Texas business.
I believe Governor Perry has Presidential ambitions, and I wouldn't be
surprised to see him run for president in 2012. He has run Texas for
the last 10 years from a small, very extreme group of Republicans, who
are not really representative of the Texas Republican Party. The Texas
Board of Education, which he appointed, has changed the education
curriculum to make it appear that conservative views are mainstream,
when they really aren't. I'm providing a link to an article that
appeared 3/13/2010 in the New York Times.
Governor Perry would probably sucede Texas from the USA, and set her up
as an autonomous, sovereign country, if he though he could get away with
it. Religious Righters running government spell bad news, so I'm a
strong supporter of separation of church and state.
Randy Neugebauer is my House of Representatives congressman from the
Texas 17th district, and he distinguished himself yesterday during the
vote on health care by calling one of his Democratic colleagues a baby
killer, LOL , so that the kind of extremism I'm dealing with here in
Abilene.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/education/13texas.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187490.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Perry
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Michael Madigan
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 9:13 PM
Coz they will execute you with scant
regard to evidence.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 11:41 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Don't mess with Texas.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 8:16 PM
The concealed carry law varies from
state to state. In Texas it is
usually legal to carry a concealed handgun even
without a
Post by geoff
concealed
carry license.
http://www.burtonranch.com/
Regards,
LelandJ
Post by Nicholas Geti
You mean that out in the bush, people are not
allowed
Post by geoff
to have guns?
Post by Nicholas Geti
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 6:34 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You will like Australia. Yes the cops have
guns
Post by geoff
but even most criminals
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
don't have them and ever rarer for them to
be
Post by geoff
used. A shoot-out is big
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
news.
And the BBQ Beer and long weekend mentality
is
Post by geoff
most appealing!
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 8:11 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
everybody?
or just the peasants?
not calling you a peasant by the way as I
admire
Post by geoff
the aussie's, just
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
referring to the fact that your military and
police probably have guns
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
that will allow them to round you up should
you
Post by geoff
stray off of their
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
predetermined "freedom" ranch??
curious because if I can't ever get back to
work
Post by geoff
here, I might sure
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
think about visiting for a very long time
because
Post by geoff
any country that has
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
beer and bbq can't be all bad<grin>
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the
beginning
Post by geoff
and end of your definition of
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part
of
Post by geoff
our freedom is the knowledge
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public
transport here you'd end up naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a
few
Post by geoff
years in an aussie jail.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a
number
Post by geoff
of states, so, yes, we
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to
ride
Post by geoff
the trams. Would feel naked
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket,
however.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less
billionaires
Post by geoff
than you, but we also have far,
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as
well.
Post by geoff
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
I am continually astonished that
people can't make that connection.
Post by Nicholas Geti
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
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Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-23 03:44:41 UTC
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trust me john,

its not flat here, and its damn sure not dry here lately...
matter of fact, for those of you that aren't familiar with small towns
in texas and thanks to the magic of php, you can now view some pictures
of small town texas via the magic of the internet at
http://www.HarperTexas.com

by the way, the picture changes everyday, thanks to php
Post by John Harvey
If it weren't so flat and dry, Texas sounds like a great place to live.
John Harvey
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John Harvey
2010-03-23 04:03:37 UTC
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Aight, make that relatively flat. And mostly hot and dry. I've been all over
Texas, so it's not like I don't know what I'm saying. I'd like Colorado with
the Texas attitude!
Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-23 11:59:49 UTC
Permalink
here's a little snow for you in texas (very little)

http://harpertexas.com/?page_id=2
Post by John Harvey
Aight, make that relatively flat. And mostly hot and dry. I've been all over
Texas, so it's not like I don't know what I'm saying. I'd like Colorado with
the Texas attitude!
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Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 03:39:06 UTC
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Post by geoff
Coz they will execute you with scant regard to evidence.
Hi Geoff,

Will they! I count 331 inmates on Death Row in Texas.

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm

Sample, picked at random, is #615. Convicted in a 1978 murder, arrested
with a smoking gun the next day. Sentence to life in prison. Shot his
(armed robbery) victim twice, was arrested with the victim's pistol in
his possession. What kind of evidence should there have been?
--
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Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-23 03:39:25 UTC
Permalink
he is right on one aspect..
they don't seem to give a damn about what really happened..
They don't seem to care about anything, just as long as they can

Hang Them High

and

Get a name for themselves..
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
Coz they will execute you with scant regard to evidence.
Hi Geoff,
Will they! I count 331 inmates on Death Row in Texas.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
Sample, picked at random, is #615. Convicted in a 1978 murder, arrested
with a smoking gun the next day. Sentence to life in prison. Shot his
(armed robbery) victim twice, was arrested with the victim's pistol in
his possession. What kind of evidence should there have been?
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geoff
2010-03-23 03:54:03 UTC
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You really don't want to play this game. Texas executes the mentally
deficient and the innocent at a rate which should appal even madagain.
Although Im not quite sure what rate of wrongful execution IS acceptable.
There are multiple examples of innocents executed in Texas and Project
Innocence has proved the point time and time again. So showing as an example
one person caught dead-to-rights is disingenuous. And I must ask how you can
show 331 inmates on death row and not comment. Thats a LOT of people looking
at execution. That doesn't seem a tad oppressive or excessive to you?

-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:09 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Coz they will execute you with scant regard to evidence.
Hi Geoff,

Will they! I count 331 inmates on Death Row in Texas.

http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm

Sample, picked at random, is #615. Convicted in a 1978 murder, arrested
with a smoking gun the next day. Sentence to life in prison. Shot his
(armed robbery) victim twice, was arrested with the victim's pistol in
his possession. What kind of evidence should there have been?
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 04:06:29 UTC
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Post by geoff
You really don't want to play this game. Texas executes the mentally
deficient and the innocent at a rate which should appal even madagain.
Although Im not quite sure what rate of wrongful execution IS acceptable.
There are multiple examples of innocents executed in Texas and Project
Innocence has proved the point time and time again. So showing as an example
one person caught dead-to-rights is disingenuous. And I must ask how you can
show 331 inmates on death row and not comment. Thats a LOT of people looking
at execution. That doesn't seem a tad oppressive or excessive to you?
Hi Geoff,

China executes 10,000 a year, year in and year out. Texas executed 4
this year, 17 last year, maybe 15 or 16 the year before. All for murder,
often multiple murders. You want they should sing to them?

That said, I personally think execution is an easy way out and I prefer
a life sentence with Bubba as a roommate so you won't be lonely. But
nobody asks me. I reply to you because your information is so far off.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Coz they will execute you with scant regard to evidence.
Will they! I count 331 inmates on Death Row in Texas.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
Sample, picked at random, is #615. Convicted in a 1978 murder, arrested
with a smoking gun the next day. Sentence to life in prison. Shot his
(armed robbery) victim twice, was arrested with the victim's pistol in
his possession. What kind of evidence should there have been?
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
Michael Madigan
2010-03-23 06:42:55 UTC
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China executes 10,000 a year and they wind up in the won ton soup here in NJ
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 12:06 AM
Post by geoff
You really don't want to play this game. Texas
executes the mentally
Post by geoff
deficient and the innocent at a rate which should
appal even madagain.
Post by geoff
Although Im not quite sure what rate of wrongful
execution IS acceptable.
Post by geoff
There are multiple examples of innocents executed in
Texas and Project
Post by geoff
Innocence has proved the point time and time again. So
showing as an example
Post by geoff
one person caught dead-to-rights is disingenuous. And
I must ask how you can
Post by geoff
show 331 inmates on death row and not comment. Thats a
LOT of people looking
Post by geoff
at execution. That doesn't seem a tad oppressive or
excessive to you?
Hi Geoff,
China executes 10,000 a year, year in and year out. Texas
executed 4
this year, 17 last year, maybe 15 or 16 the year before.
All for murder,
often multiple murders. You want they should sing to them?
That said, I personally think execution is an easy way out
and I prefer
a life sentence with Bubba as a roommate so you won't be
lonely. But
nobody asks me. I reply to you because your information is
so far off.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Coz they will execute you with scant regard to
evidence.
Post by geoff
Will they! I count 331 inmates on Death Row in Texas.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
Sample, picked at random, is #615. Convicted in a 1978
murder, arrested
Post by geoff
with a smoking gun the next day. Sentence to life in
prison. Shot his
Post by geoff
(armed robbery) victim twice, was arrested with the
victim's pistol in
Post by geoff
his possession. What kind of evidence should there
have been?
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-23 06:41:43 UTC
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The execute the retards who have murdered someone. I support that.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 11:54 PM
You really don't want to play this
game. Texas executes the mentally
deficient and the innocent at a rate which should appal
even madagain.
Although Im not quite sure what rate of wrongful execution
IS acceptable.
There are multiple examples of innocents executed in Texas
and Project
Innocence has proved the point time and time again. So
showing as an example
one person caught dead-to-rights is disingenuous. And I
must ask how you can
show 331 inmates on death row and not comment. Thats a LOT
of people looking
at execution. That doesn't seem a tad oppressive or
excessive to you?
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:09 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Coz they will execute you with scant regard to
evidence.
Hi Geoff,
Will they! I count 331 inmates on Death Row in Texas.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
Sample, picked at random, is #615. Convicted in a 1978
murder, arrested
with a smoking gun the next day. Sentence to life in
prison. Shot his
(armed robbery) victim twice, was arrested with the
victim's pistol in
his possession. What kind of evidence should there have
been?
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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geoff
2010-03-23 08:00:50 UTC
Permalink
Of course you do...

-----Original Message-----
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Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 5:12 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy

The execute the retards who have murdered someone. I support that.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 11:54 PM
You really don't want to play this
game. Texas executes the mentally
deficient and the innocent at a rate which should appal
even madagain.
Although Im not quite sure what rate of wrongful execution
IS acceptable.
There are multiple examples of innocents executed in Texas
and Project
Innocence has proved the point time and time again. So
showing as an example
one person caught dead-to-rights is disingenuous. And I
must ask how you can
show 331 inmates on death row and not comment. Thats a LOT
of people looking
at execution. That doesn't seem a tad oppressive or
excessive to you?
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:09 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Coz they will execute you with scant regard to
evidence.
Hi Geoff,
Will they! I count 331 inmates on Death Row in Texas.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
Sample, picked at random, is #615. Convicted in a 1978
murder, arrested
with a smoking gun the next day. Sentence to life in
prison. Shot his
(armed robbery) victim twice, was arrested with the
victim's pistol in
his possession. What kind of evidence should there have
been?
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-23 08:26:16 UTC
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Yes I do. Smart enough to kill, smart enough to be executed.

I'd shoot Shamoo too.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 4:00 AM
Of course you do...
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Michael Madigan
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 5:12 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
The execute the retards who have murdered someone.  I
support that.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 11:54 PM
You really don't want to play this
game. Texas executes the mentally
deficient and the innocent at a rate which should
appal
even madagain.
Although Im not quite sure what rate of wrongful
execution
IS acceptable.
There are multiple examples of innocents executed in
Texas
and Project
Innocence has proved the point time and time again.
So
showing as an example
one person caught dead-to-rights is disingenuous. And
I
must ask how you can
show 331 inmates on death row and not comment. Thats a
LOT
of people looking
at execution. That doesn't seem a tad oppressive or
excessive to you?
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:09 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Coz they will execute you with scant regard to
evidence.
Hi Geoff,
Will they! I count 331 inmates on Death Row in Texas.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/offendersondrow.htm
Sample, picked at random, is #615. Convicted in a
1978
murder, arrested
with a smoking gun the next day. Sentence to life in
prison. Shot his
(armed robbery) victim twice, was arrested with the
victim's pistol in
his possession. What kind of evidence should there
have
been?
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-t[excessive quoting removed by server]
Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 21:42:57 UTC
Permalink
Sure, until you have a rogue government take over. The only think keeping Obama from declaring himself President for Life is the Second Amendment.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 5:36 PM
Only if ownership of a gun is the
beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is
the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 4:17 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here
you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an
aussie jail.
Hi Geoff,
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states,
so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams.
Would feel naked
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but
we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make
that connection.
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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Pete Theisen
2010-03-22 00:14:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,

The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
geoff
2010-03-22 00:21:43 UTC
Permalink
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some do that is for sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year sorta prove the
point.


-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:45 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,

The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-22 00:23:59 UTC
Permalink
as long as you don't allow american attorneys over there, you will be fine..
our attorneys that defend those that they know without a doubt
contribute to ours...

I really don't know how they sleep at night.
Guess they just see dollar signs
Post by geoff
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some do that is for sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year sorta prove the
point.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:45 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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geoff
2010-03-22 00:39:27 UTC
Permalink
Well why don't you all come over and visit and enjoy our country. It's a top
tourist destination and even the weather is good!

-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:54 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy

as long as you don't allow american attorneys over there, you will be fine..
our attorneys that defend those that they know without a doubt
contribute to ours...

I really don't know how they sleep at night.
Guess they just see dollar signs
Post by geoff
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some do that is for sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year sorta prove the
point.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:45 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-22 00:48:29 UTC
Permalink
would love too..
no substantial job since everything went to hell in 2003 and probably
can't get a passport because I only owe two people for the most part and
they're both government agencies that wouldn't let me leave the country
if everything I have read is correct.

maybe one of these days as I could use a vacation...
Post by geoff
Well why don't you all come over and visit and enjoy our country. It's a top
tourist destination and even the weather is good!
-----Original Message-----
Of Virgil Bierschwale
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:54 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
as long as you don't allow american attorneys over there, you will be fine..
our attorneys that defend those that they know without a doubt
contribute to ours...
I really don't know how they sleep at night.
Guess they just see dollar signs
Post by geoff
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some do that is for
sure,
Post by geoff
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year sorta prove the
point.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:45 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-22 07:26:35 UTC
Permalink
They are soulless.

The attorneys who defended Al Qaeda terrorists are all working for the Obama administration now. I guess soulless people love working together.
Post by Virgil Bierschwale
I really don't know how they sleep at night.
Guess they just see dollar signs
Michael Madigan
2010-03-22 07:24:52 UTC
Permalink
You only have a 1% Black population, hence the low numbers of gun fatalities.
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 8:21 PM
Actually, here in Australia that just
isn't true. Some do that is for sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year
sorta prove the
point.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:45 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of
your definition of
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have
guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in
an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you,
but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't
make that connection.
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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Nicholas Geti
2010-03-22 21:51:06 UTC
Permalink
Nah. There just isn't as many people around to be shot.


----- Original Message -----
From: "geoff" <***@adam.com.au>
To: "'ProFox Email List'" <***@leafe.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some do that is for sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year sorta prove the
point.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:45 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-22 22:13:36 UTC
Permalink
Or minorities to do the shooting.

IF you subtract out the Black on White shootings, the Black on Black shootings, the Latino on White shootings and the Latino on Latino shootings, our gun death rate would be much, much lower.
Post by geoff
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:51 PM
Nah. There just isn't as many people
around to be shot.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some
do that is for
Post by geoff
sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each
year sorta prove the
Post by geoff
point.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Post by geoff
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:45 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and
end of your definition of
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our
freedom is the knowledge
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO
have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport
here you'd end up naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years
in an aussie jail.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of
states, so, yes, we
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the
trams. Would feel naked
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than
you, but we also have far,
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people
can't make that connection.
Post by geoff
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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geoff
2010-03-22 22:15:39 UTC
Permalink
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000 in the USA.
You do the math and see what you get.


-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Nicholas Geti
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 8:21 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy

Nah. There just isn't as many people around to be shot.


----- Original Message -----
From: "geoff" <***@adam.com.au>
To: "'ProFox Email List'" <***@leafe.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:21 PM
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some do that is for sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year sorta prove the
point.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2010 10:45 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
Hi Geoff,
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 02:31:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by geoff
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,

50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
Post by geoff
Nah. There just isn't as many people around to be shot.
Post by geoff
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some do that is for sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year sorta prove the
point.
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
geoff
2010-03-23 03:48:38 UTC
Permalink
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people died from guns in the
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics don't support that. Or
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)

-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 1:02 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,

50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.

http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
Post by geoff
Nah. There just isn't as many people around to be shot.
Post by geoff
Actually, here in Australia that just isn't true. Some do that is for sure,
but most don't. And our deaths by gun (<100) each year sorta prove the
point.
Post by geoff
Only if ownership of a gun is the beginning and end of your definition of
'freedom'. For the rest of the world part of our freedom is the knowledge
that everybody DOESNT have a gun.
The knowledge you should have is that the criminals DO have guns.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
If you carried your weapon on public transport here you'd end up naked
alright... right next to Bubba for a few years in an aussie jail.
I have a permit, good in Florida and a number of states, so, yes, we
have more freedom in the US.
http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/news/concealed_carry.html
Tram-challenged, however.
Post by geoff
Dang, I'd like to visit Australia to ride the trams. Would feel naked
without my weapon in my pocket, however.
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
We have a lot less billionaires than you, but we also have far,
far less poor people as well.
I am continually astonished that people can't make that connection.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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2010-03-23 04:01:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by geoff
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people died from guns in the
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics don't support that. Or
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)
Hi Geoff,

Yes, the whole year, I think 2008 - the latest available. Follow the link.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,
50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 04:23:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people died from guns in the
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics don't support that. Or
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)
Hi Geoff,
Yes, the whole year, I think 2008 - the latest available. Follow the link.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,
50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
Hi Geoff,

OK, the 642 number is correct, but the latest year is 2006. The trend
has been down, however.

The confusion overseas is the intentional lying by the gun control
pressure groups. News agencies just accept the false figures as correct.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
geoff
2010-03-23 05:01:54 UTC
Permalink
I can't have a rational debate on gun deaths if you are going to start with
a position that essentially denies that they happen. The figure of 642 is
ludicrous as everyone knows.

-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:54 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by Pete Theisen
Post by geoff
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people died from guns in the
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics don't support that. Or
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)
Hi Geoff,
Yes, the whole year, I think 2008 - the latest available. Follow the link.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,
50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
Hi Geoff,

OK, the 642 number is correct, but the latest year is 2006. The trend
has been down, however.

The confusion overseas is the intentional lying by the gun control
pressure groups. News agencies just accept the false figures as correct.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 05:15:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by geoff
I can't have a rational debate on gun deaths if you are going to start with
a position that essentially denies that they happen. The figure of 642 is
ludicrous as everyone knows.
Hi Geoff,

You missed my last post, there are more, but the design of the database
put them in many different tables, with no links. John Harvey just
posted a figure I am sure is correct, 30,896, including homicides,
accidents and suicides. John Harvey is a government source.

There are not 50,000. I am searching the archives now to find the post
where you say I said there were.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
geoff
2010-03-23 05:15:08 UTC
Permalink
So lets just accept 31000 as the figure as opposed to australias <100. You
have TWENTY times the rate of gun deaths. That works for my argument just as
well 30 times.

-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 3:45 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
I can't have a rational debate on gun deaths if you are going to start with
a position that essentially denies that they happen. The figure of 642 is
ludicrous as everyone knows.
Hi Geoff,

You missed my last post, there are more, but the design of the database
put them in many different tables, with no links. John Harvey just
posted a figure I am sure is correct, 30,896, including homicides,
accidents and suicides. John Harvey is a government source.

There are not 50,000. I am searching the archives now to find the post
where you say I said there were.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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2010-03-23 05:34:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by geoff
So lets just accept 31000 as the figure as opposed to australias <100. You
have TWENTY times the rate of gun deaths. That works for my argument just as
well 30 times.
Hi Geoff,

Yes, but we aren't quite finished. You just exaggerated our gun deaths
by 19,104, how do you know that the "less than 100 in Australia" is in
any way accurate? Did it include accidents and suicides as you insist we
include? I know you, of all people, would *never* want to compare apples
to, say, oranges.

You didn't provide a link. Was it a "government source", as you insisted
I provide? Could it be that it came from an Aussie "pro-gun site?

And I think I found my post from last year. "There are only 11,624
homicides by gun." A far cry from 50,000. Is it possible that you like
to spin things yourself?

http://leafe.com/archives/msg/412396
Post by geoff
You missed my last post, there are more, but the design of the database
put them in many different tables, with no links. John Harvey just
posted a figure I am sure is correct, 30,896, including homicides,
accidents and suicides. John Harvey is a government source.
There are not 50,000. I am searching the archives now to find the post
where you say I said there were.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
geoff
2010-03-23 08:00:19 UTC
Permalink
Whilst I grant my 50,000 was wrong it was a lot closer than 624!!! And
'only' 11624 gun homicides still makes my point. That is still TEN times our
rate per head of population.

-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 4:04 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
So lets just accept 31000 as the figure as opposed to australias <100. You
have TWENTY times the rate of gun deaths. That works for my argument just as
well 30 times.
Hi Geoff,

Yes, but we aren't quite finished. You just exaggerated our gun deaths
by 19,104, how do you know that the "less than 100 in Australia" is in
any way accurate? Did it include accidents and suicides as you insist we
include? I know you, of all people, would *never* want to compare apples
to, say, oranges.

You didn't provide a link. Was it a "government source", as you insisted
I provide? Could it be that it came from an Aussie "pro-gun site?

And I think I found my post from last year. "There are only 11,624
homicides by gun." A far cry from 50,000. Is it possible that you like
to spin things yourself?

http://leafe.com/archives/msg/412396
Post by geoff
You missed my last post, there are more, but the design of the database
put them in many different tables, with no links. John Harvey just
posted a figure I am sure is correct, 30,896, including homicides,
accidents and suicides. John Harvey is a government source.
There are not 50,000. I am searching the archives now to find the post
where you say I said there were.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 08:13:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by geoff
Whilst I grant my 50,000 was wrong it was a lot closer than 624!!! And
'only' 11624 gun homicides still makes my point. That is still TEN times our
rate per head of population.
Hi Geoff,

Assuming your figures are correct, seeing as you have not documented
them at all, let alone to the level you require of me. Not only that,
you guys have to get your manhood back where it comes to shooting
*rabbits*, LOL.

http://www.animalcontrol.com.au/rabbit.htm
Post by geoff
Yes, but we aren't quite finished. You just exaggerated our gun deaths
by 19,104, how do you know that the "less than 100 in Australia" is in
any way accurate?
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
Jean Laeremans
2010-03-23 10:21:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by geoff
Whilst I grant my 50,000 was wrong it was a lot closer than 624!!! And
'only' 11624 gun homicides still makes my point. That is still TEN times our
rate per head of population.
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447
deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the
United States during 2000.[4] The majority of gun-related deaths in
the United States are suicides,[5] with firearms used in 16,907
suicides in the United "

A+
jml
Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 12:38:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jean Laeremans
Post by geoff
Whilst I grant my 50,000 was wrong it was a lot closer than 624!!! And
'only' 11624 gun homicides still makes my point. That is still TEN times our
rate per head of population.
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447
deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the
United States during 2000.[4] The majority of gun-related deaths in
the United States are suicides,[5] with firearms used in 16,907
suicides in the United "
Hi Jean,

Recent figures are significantly lower.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
Jean Laeremans
2010-03-23 12:41:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Pete Theisen
Recent figures are significantly lower.
Gun powder gone bad ?

A+
jml
Pete Theisen
2010-03-23 12:56:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jean Laeremans
Post by Pete Theisen
Recent figures are significantly lower.
Gun powder gone bad ?
Hi Jean,

The story I have heard is that two factors are at work. (1) The price of
abusable drugs has gone down to about the cost of a beer habit, thus the
amount of crime needed to sustain habits is less so fewer crimes are
attempted to get the criminal shot AND, (2) the widespread legal carry
law adoption is increasing the possibility that a criminal might get
shot so he becomes more cautious - avoiding "confrontational" crimes out
of fear that the intended victim will be armed.

John Harvey might have better information on this than I do.
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
geoff
2010-03-23 04:19:19 UTC
Permalink
Credibility doesn't exactly OOZE out of a pro-gun site like yours. We had
this debate last year and YOU produced stats that showed almost 50,000 died
from guns in that year. Find a government agency that records raw data and
not spin-modified data and you will find the real answer. You would ahve to
be extremely naive to believe only 642 died from guns in the USA in a year.
I doubt even madagain would believe that.


-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:32 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people died from guns in the
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics don't support that. Or
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)
Hi Geoff,

Yes, the whole year, I think 2008 - the latest available. Follow the link.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,
50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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2010-03-23 04:51:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by geoff
Credibility doesn't exactly OOZE out of a pro-gun site like yours. We had
this debate last year and YOU produced stats that showed almost 50,000 died
from guns in that year. Find a government agency that records raw data
Hi Geoff,

Well, I see that there are more, but it isn't 50,000. I don't remember
posting that figure - look it up in the archives, will you?

Meanwhile, I will have to work on this because they have the data in six
different tables that are not linked. 642 was Unintentional gun deaths,
there are more in the Homicide listings, but the homicides are not all
gun deaths. The year is 2006.

The website is WISQARSTM Produced By: Office of Statistics and
Programming, National Center for Injury Prevention and Control, Centers
for Disease Control and Prevention Data Source: National Center for
Health Statistics (NCHS), National Vital Statistics System

http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

They ARE a government agency, ".gov".

I will have to open each homicide table and find the firearms figure,
then add it on a calculator. It won't be 50,000. OK, it is 6675, when
you include homicides.

I suppose there may be some suicides as well. Yes, 13,054, more than
homicides and accidents.

This outfit is part of the CDC, they are not "pro-gun". They are the
ones who wanted to define firearms as a disease. OK, 19,729 including
homicide and suicide. Not nearly 50,000. Where did I find the 50,000 you
say I posted? I don't remember. I do remember you said that was a
pro-gun figure, whatever it was, then.
Post by geoff
Post by Pete Theisen
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
--
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Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
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John Harvey
2010-03-23 04:51:52 UTC
Permalink
2006 data is the latest reported by the CDC. How long does it take to count
with all this amazing technology?

Mortality experience in 2006
+
In 2006, a total of 2,426,264 resident deaths were registered in the United
States.
+
The age-adjusted death rate, which takes the aging of the population
into account, was 776.5 deaths per 100,000 U.S. standard population.
+
Life expectancy at birth was 77.7 years.

The 15 leading causes of death in 2006 were:
1.Diseases of heart (heart disease)
2.Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
3.Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
4.Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5.Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6.Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
7.Alzheimer's disease
8.Influenza and pneumonia
9.Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease)
10.Septicemia
11.Intentional self-harm (suicide)
12.Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
13.Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease (hypertension)
14.Parkinson's disease
15.Assault (homicide)


All firearm deaths
.Number of deaths:30,896
.Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3

Firearm suicides
.Number of deaths: 16,883
.Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.6

(More than half the firearm deaths were self inflicted)

John Harvey


-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of geoff
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:19 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy

Credibility doesn't exactly OOZE out of a pro-gun site like yours. We had
this debate last year and YOU produced stats that showed almost 50,000 died
from guns in that year. Find a government agency that records raw data and
not spin-modified data and you will find the real answer. You would ahve to
be extremely naive to believe only 642 died from guns in the USA in a year.
I doubt even madagain would believe that.


-----Original Message-----
From: profox-***@leafe.com [mailto:profox-***@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:32 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people died from guns in the
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics don't support that. Or
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)
Hi Geoff,

Yes, the whole year, I think 2008 - the latest available. Follow the link.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,
50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/

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2010-03-23 05:03:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by John Harvey
2006 data is the latest reported by the CDC. How long does it take to count
with all this amazing technology?
Hi John,

They don't have your expertise. You got a few more than I pieced
together from their website, on another post.
Post by John Harvey
Mortality experience in 2006
All firearm deaths
.Number of deaths:30,896
.Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3
Firearm suicides
.Number of deaths: 16,883
.Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.6
(More than half the firearm deaths were self inflicted)
John Harvey
--
Regards,

Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-23 12:04:36 UTC
Permalink
I will say this.
after spending several years trying to get to the bottom of the
employment/unemployment numbers I now realize that they aren't worth a
piece of used toilet paper.

formats are pretty and they apparently satisfy the reporters..
but if you dig deeper then the summary line you realize that there is no
substance too them.

and as I dug into different departments/branches I realize the same
applies to them.
Post by geoff
Credibility doesn't exactly OOZE out of a pro-gun site like yours. We had
this debate last year and YOU produced stats that showed almost 50,000 died
from guns in that year. Find a government agency that records raw data and
not spin-modified data and you will find the real answer. You would ahve to
be extremely naive to believe only 642 died from guns in the USA in a year.
I doubt even madagain would believe that.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:32 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people died from guns in
the
Post by geoff
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics don't support that. Or
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)
Hi Geoff,
Yes, the whole year, I think 2008 - the latest available. Follow the link.
Post by geoff
1/15 the population.<100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,
50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
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Virgil Bierschwale
2010-03-23 12:06:11 UTC
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tell me about it, and they expect us to believe that they can total the
amount of cows farting in america or that they can track a calf from a
mad cow to where it finally ended up??

Big snow job going on
Post by John Harvey
2006 data is the latest reported by the CDC. How long does it take to count
with all this amazing technology?
Mortality experience in 2006
+
In 2006, a total of 2,426,264 resident deaths were registered in the United
States.
+
The age-adjusted death rate, which takes the aging of the population
into account, was 776.5 deaths per 100,000 U.S. standard population.
+
Life expectancy at birth was 77.7 years.
1.Diseases of heart (heart disease)
2.Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
3.Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
4.Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5.Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6.Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
7.Alzheimer's disease
8.Influenza and pneumonia
9.Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney disease)
10.Septicemia
11.Intentional self-harm (suicide)
12.Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
13.Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease (hypertension)
14.Parkinson's disease
15.Assault (homicide)
All firearm deaths
.Number of deaths:30,896
.Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3
Firearm suicides
.Number of deaths: 16,883
.Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.6
(More than half the firearm deaths were self inflicted)
John Harvey
-----Original Message-----
Of geoff
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:19 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Credibility doesn't exactly OOZE out of a pro-gun site like yours. We had
this debate last year and YOU produced stats that showed almost 50,000 died
from guns in that year. Find a government agency that records raw data and
not spin-modified data and you will find the real answer. You would ahve to
be extremely naive to believe only 642 died from guns in the USA in a year.
I doubt even madagain would believe that.
-----Original Message-----
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:32 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people died from guns in
the
Post by geoff
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics don't support that. Or
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)
Hi Geoff,
Yes, the whole year, I think 2008 - the latest available. Follow the link.
Post by geoff
1/15 the population.<100 killed by guns as opposed to 50,000
Hi Geoff,
50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is higher than ours.
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-21 05:01:54 UTC
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It's an industry fact that viewers of pornography do not like watching actors wear condoms. So of course this will kill the only industry in California that is actually profitable. LMAO
Post by geoff
Subject: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 9:41 PM
http://bit.ly/a60JF2
- - -
One can make arguments for permitting porn and for banning
porn, but
there isn’t a lot to be said for the bureaucratization of
porn. Hard
to believe there will be dull, bespoke California
bureaucrats looking
forward to early retirement on gold-plated pensions
who’ll be getting
home, sinking into the La-Z-Boy and complaining to the
missus about a
tough day at the office working on the permits for Debbie
Does the
Fresno OSHA Office.
Meanwhile, Obamacare will result in the creation of at
least 16,500
new jobs. Doctors? Nurses? Ha! Dream on, suckers. That’s
16,500 new
IRS agents, who’ll be needed to check whether you —
yes, you, Mr. and
Mrs. Hopendope of 27 Hopeychangey Gardens — are in
compliance with the
15 tax increases and dozens of new federal mandates the
Deemocrats are
about to “deem” into existence. This will be the
biggest expansion of
the IRS since World War II — and that’s change you can
believe in.
This is what “health” “care” “reform” boils
down to: fewer doctors,
longer wait times, but more bureaucrats. And, when you walk
into the
Health Care Enforcement Division of the IRS, the staffing
levels will
make Madelyne Hernandez’s group-sex scene look like an
Equity-minimum
one-man play off-off-off Broadway.
Barack Obama, a man who not so long ago had time to jet
across the
world to make dreary Olympics-losing speeches about how his
kind of
town Chicago is, has now postponed his presidential visits
to
Indonesia and Australia in order to make sure “health
care” passes
this week — or, at any rate, is “deemed” to have
passed, which is
apparently the way a quarter-millennium-old constitutional
republic
does things.
The president, his press secretary informs us, regrets
having to
postpone his trip for three months, but “passage of the
health-insurance reform is of paramount importance.”
Whereas Australia
isn’t.
...
Investor’s Business Daily argues that the “health”
debate is really a
proxy fight on the size and role of government. According
to their
poll, 64 percent of people think the federal government has
“too much
power.” Correct. But a big chunk of that 64 percent voted
less than 18
months ago for a man and a party explicitly committed to
more
government with more power, and they’re now living with
the
consequences. Obama is government, and government is Obama.
That’s all
he knows and all he’s ever known. You elected to the
highest office in
the land a man who’s never run a business or created
wealth or made a
payroll, and for his entire adult life has hung out with
guys who’ve
demonized (deemonized?) such grubby activities. Many of
which
associates he appointed to high office: Obama’s cabinet
has less
experience of private business than any in the last
century. What it
knows is government, and government’s default mode is to
grow, and
grow.
...
- - -
Although news reports have it that the Democrats have, as
of today,
dropped the Demon Pass strategy (we'll know soon enough if
that's
true, but it hardly matters since either way they're
strong-arming
this monstrosity down everyone's throats, including the
soon-to-be-axed-by-the-taxpayers gullets of their own
caucus), this
(yet another) Steyn classic really puts the whole
boondoggle in
perspective.
BTW, I discovered in this article something I agree with
Barack Obama
about: namely, the importance of Australia. Imagine that!
;)
- Publius
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-23 06:45:48 UTC
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So Geoff, are you less dead when you hang yourself than when you shoot yourself?
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 12:51 AM
2006 data is the latest reported by
the CDC. How long does it take to count
with all this amazing technology?
Mortality experience in 2006
+
In 2006, a total of 2,426,264 resident deaths were
registered in the United
States.
+
The age-adjusted death rate, which takes the aging of the
population
into account, was 776.5 deaths per 100,000 U.S. standard
population.
+
Life expectancy at birth was 77.7 years.
1.Diseases of heart (heart disease)
2.Malignant neoplasms (cancer)
3.Cerebrovascular diseases (stroke)
4.Chronic lower respiratory diseases
5.Accidents (unintentional injuries)
6.Diabetes mellitus (diabetes)
7.Alzheimer's disease
8.Influenza and pneumonia
9.Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis (kidney
disease)
10.Septicemia
11.Intentional self-harm (suicide)
12.Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis
13.Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease
(hypertension)
14.Parkinson's disease
15.Assault (homicide)
All firearm deaths
.Number of deaths:30,896
.Deaths per 100,000 population: 10.3
Firearm suicides
.Number of deaths: 16,883
.Deaths per 100,000 population: 5.6
(More than half the firearm deaths were self inflicted)
John Harvey
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of geoff
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:19 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Credibility doesn't exactly OOZE out of a pro-gun site like
yours. We had
this debate last year and YOU produced stats that showed
almost 50,000 died
from guns in that year. Find a government agency that
records raw data and
not spin-modified data and you will find the real answer.
You would ahve to
be extremely naive to believe only 642 died from guns in
the USA in a year.
I doubt even madagain would believe that.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 2:32 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
You're not seriously going to suggest that 642 people
died from guns in
the
Post by geoff
USA in a whole year right? Even your own statistics
don't support that. Or
Post by geoff
was that just ONE WEEK (and a good week at that!)
Hi Geoff,
Yes, the whole year, I think 2008 - the latest available.
Follow the link.
Post by geoff
Post by geoff
1/15 the population. <100 killed by guns as
opposed to 50,000
Post by geoff
Hi Geoff,
50,000? Indeed! Spin figures. Try 642. Your rate is
higher than ours.
Post by geoff
http://www.tincher.to/deaths.htm
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Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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Michael Madigan
2010-03-23 06:48:19 UTC
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Would you prefer I kill you with a gun or with a knife?
Subject: RE: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 1:15 AM
So lets just accept 31000 as the
figure as opposed to australias <100. You
have TWENTY times the rate of gun deaths. That works for my
argument just as
well 30 times.
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf
Of Pete Theisen
Sent: Tuesday, 23 March 2010 3:45 PM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: [OT] Welcome to Deemocracy
Post by geoff
I can't have a rational debate on gun deaths if you
are going to start
with
Post by geoff
a position that essentially denies that they happen.
The figure of 642 is
Post by geoff
ludicrous as everyone knows.
Hi Geoff,
You missed my last post, there are more, but the design of
the database
put them in many different tables, with no links. John
Harvey just
posted a figure I am sure is correct, 30,896, including
homicides,
accidents and suicides. John Harvey is a government
source.
There are not 50,000. I am searching the archives now to
find the post
where you say I said there were.
--
Regards,
Pete
http://pete-theisen.com/
http://elect-pete-theisen.com/
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