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[NF] A Question of CPU Upgrade...
Kurt at VR-FX
2018-05-28 14:55:09 UTC
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Hey there folks,

Hope everyone is having a nice Memorial Day Weekend - at least those of
us here that are States side!

So - my main desktop PC was a Barebones system from Boxx Tech. that I
built circa 2013. I haven't done any HW updates to it since I bought it.
And, I just got am email from MicroCenter - with some nice deals. The
one deal I am looking at - saves like $200 on an Intel CPU. But, I am
wondering if its worth it to do the upgrade.

Currently - the CPU is an Intel i7-4770 @ 3.4GHz - AFAIK its Quad Core.
But, keep in mind - the current system has liquid cooling for the chip.
And, although the machine was "barebones" - the chip and cooling system
was already pre-installed. I simply installed HD, memory, SD HD, and a
hi-end video card. Of course, since current system has an Intel chip - I
need to stick w/Intel - even though I would love to go back to an AMD
type chip - obviously I can't - and still keep same MoBo.

As such - here is the chip on sale at MC: Coffee Lake Core i7-8700K
3.7GHz (Turbo Speed 4.7GHz) Six-Core/12 Processing Threads.

So - would it be worth it to upgrade to this new chip? And, is it legit
to swap a new chip like this into my system? I suspect its fully
compatible. And, the other issue - not sure of the complications of the
liquid cooling - and whether the chips can be swapped easily and still
using same liquid cooling.

Again - I haven't touched any HW stuff in this machine since it was
built - which means I really haven't touch HW stuff for years. Although
- I did swap an HD on this machine - since the primary HD died.

TIA - L8r!
-K-



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Alan Bourke
2018-05-28 15:13:57 UTC
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I would be sceptical about the value of upgrading the CPU in a five year old system - it will probably be constrained by memory and disk speed.
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Kurt at VR-FX
2018-05-28 16:55:18 UTC
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Understood. That's why I figured I would post the Q here - to see what
others had to say. Am also thinking about upping the memory - as I only
have 8MB in it now...

-K-
Post by Alan Bourke
I would be sceptical about the value of upgrading the CPU in a five year old system - it will probably be constrained by memory and disk speed.
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Paul Hill
2018-05-28 17:40:09 UTC
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Post by Kurt at VR-FX
Understood. That's why I figured I would post the Q here - to see what
others had to say. Am also thinking about upping the memory - as I only have
8MB in it now...
Hope your bank balance is good. RAM is expensive these days.

I paid £31 for 8GB DDR3 in 2012. Same module today costs £70.
I can buy a cheaper brand for £50. DDR4 is even more expensive.

Something's not right here. Seems like priced fixing/cartel.
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Alan Bourke
2018-05-29 08:22:18 UTC
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Post by Paul Hill
Something's not right here. Seems like priced fixing/cartel.
Huge demand from server farms, mobile devices and a lack of fabrication capacity.
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Kurt at VR-FX
2018-05-29 12:40:48 UTC
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That's an interesting reason for the price fixing! And, there is also
now this whole Bitcoin farming stuff - besides tradtional server farms
used for things like 3D Animation rendering. All this besides the
increased capacity/need for desktop computing in the corp. biz world!

-K-
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Post by Paul Hill
Something's not right here. Seems like priced fixing/cartel.
Huge demand from server farms, mobile devices and a lack of fabrication capacity.
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Alan Bourke
2018-05-29 14:18:38 UTC
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Well, it's supply and demand. I think bitcoin has been more of a factor in trebling graphics card prices, for some types of card, it's that GPU power they're after as opposed to memory.
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Post by Kurt at VR-FX
That's an interesting reason for the price fixing! And, there is also
now this whole Bitcoin farming stuff - besides tradtional server farms
used for things like 3D Animation rendering. All this besides the
increased capacity/need for desktop computing in the corp. biz world!
-K-
Post by Alan Bourke
Post by Paul Hill
Something's not right here. Seems like priced fixing/cartel.
Huge demand from server farms, mobile devices and a lack of fabrication capacity.
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Kurt at VR-FX
2018-05-29 17:04:39 UTC
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Yes - that's true - Bitcoin farms are based upon Graphics cards. But,
don't forget - these days there tends to be a lot of Memory in those
graphics cards - to help handle all the processing. So - that's really
what I was referring to.

-K-
Post by Alan Bourke
Well, it's supply and demand. I think bitcoin has been more of a factor in trebling graphics card prices, for some types of card, it's that GPU power they're after as opposed to memory.
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Jürgen Wondzinski
2018-05-28 15:14:15 UTC
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I wouldn't touch the CPU, not worth the hassle with mounting and thermal
reconnect.

If you want to upgrade, change your HD to a SSD. This is the most noticible
change you can do.

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Paul Hill
2018-05-28 16:43:18 UTC
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Post by Jürgen Wondzinski
I wouldn't touch the CPU, not worth the hassle with mounting and thermal
reconnect.
If you want to upgrade, change your HD to a SSD. This is the most noticeable
change you can do.
Agreed. I have a i7 3770 from 2012 which still rocks.
Much faster than the i7-7500 in my laptop I bought this year.

I use SSDs everywhere here, with a couple of spinning TB HDs for storage.
Samsung SSDs are excellent.

I even have a SSD in my 30 year old Amiga 4000. mSATA with an IDE adapter.
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Kurt at VR-FX
2018-05-28 16:59:28 UTC
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Hey there Paul,

Yeah - based upon the feedback - I'm not going to bother with CPU
upgrade - too much of a hassle. I may, however, go for a 2nd SSD. As for
your Amiga 4000 - that rocks! I had a used Amigo 1000 - but, sadly - I
sold that off a couple of years ago...

:-(

-K-
Post by Paul Hill
Post by Jürgen Wondzinski
I wouldn't touch the CPU, not worth the hassle with mounting and thermal
reconnect.
If you want to upgrade, change your HD to a SSD. This is the most noticeable
change you can do.
Agreed. I have a i7 3770 from 2012 which still rocks.
Much faster than the i7-7500 in my laptop I bought this year.
I use SSDs everywhere here, with a couple of spinning TB HDs for storage.
Samsung SSDs are excellent.
I even have a SSD in my 30 year old Amiga 4000. mSATA with an IDE adapter.
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Kurt at VR-FX
2018-05-28 16:57:19 UTC
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Hey there w00dy!

Thanks for the input. Yeah - I kinda figured the mounting and thermal
reconnect would be a REAL Hassle - and why I was wondering if it was
worth it.

I actually had an SSD in the system - along with an HD. Maybe I could
add another SSD - but, again - not sure its worth it. Would have to have
the core programs run from the new SSD - like my main 3D CG apps. But,
who knows - I might just do that...

-K-
Post by Jürgen Wondzinski
I wouldn't touch the CPU, not worth the hassle with mounting and thermal
reconnect.
If you want to upgrade, change your HD to a SSD. This is the most noticible
change you can do.
wOOdy
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