[NF] Anyone seen pricing on Java fees for 2019?

[Stephen Russell]

In USD I saw 40.00 for the applet. I hope our buyer service can do
better. Has anyone seen any server-side prices yet?

Java still sucks.

Fuck Oracle
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[Kurt at VR-FX]

Oooohhh - its Bad Stephen!

:-)

Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years ago
- but, didn't actually follow-up on it.

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Post by Stephen Russell
In USD I saw 40.00 for the applet. I hope our buyer service can do
better. Has anyone seen any server-side prices yet?
Java still sucks.
Fuck Oracle

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[Charlie-gm]

Crap! I wish I could find the email where I emphatically stated that one
day Oracle would figure out a way to extort money for the use of Java
(they got ownership after they acquired Sun Microsystems). I knew they
would eventually not be able to resist the temptation. At that time I
received quite a number of "boos" and "you're crazy" and "that will
never happen" responses. HAHAHAHAHA.

I'm glad I never did more than dabble in it. Like any language it's got
its good and bad. But thank goodness I never released an application
that would now put a noose around my customer's or employer's necks.

-Charlie

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Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years
ago - but, didn't actually follow-up on it.
-K-

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[Stephen Russell]

We agree on seeing the monetary potential for java ownership was going to
bite us all.

How many different software apps does your company use that use java? We
are digging through our catalog to see if some people do not. We
understand that our ERP is based on it, :( and that will cost $$$$$$$ for
all of those users. But we have a lot of employees that do manufacturing
design and engineering and never really touch LN, the ERP by name.

We thought that the ERP was going to shove that fee into our license but
this mornings call gave us an empty feeling like they have not even
considered it. It is a month and a half away. Our budget is due at the
EOW and we have no idea how to account for this GOUGE by Oracle.

Post by Charlie-gm
Crap! I wish I could find the email where I emphatically stated that one
day Oracle would figure out a way to extort money for the use of Java
(they got ownership after they acquired Sun Microsystems). I knew they
would eventually not be able to resist the temptation. At that time I
received quite a number of "boos" and "you're crazy" and "that will
never happen" responses. HAHAHAHAHA.
I'm glad I never did more than dabble in it. Like any language it's got
its good and bad. But thank goodness I never released an application
that would now put a noose around my customer's or employer's necks.
-Charlie

Post by Kurt at VR-FX
Never really messed w/Java myself. Got a book on it Many, many years
ago - but, didn't actually follow-up on it.
-K-

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[Alan Bourke]

Is it not the case however that you can use Oracle OpenJDK instead (which the whole thing has been based on since Java 7 or 8 anyway) without licencing requirements, and that you only need to use the Oracle JDK and licence it if you are using it with other Oracle products or services?

So for example if your ERP was written in Java but used PostGres or something as the database, you could just switch over to OpenJDK ?
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[Ed Leafe]

Post by Stephen Russell
We agree on seeing the monetary potential for java ownership was going to
bite us all.

One of the most compelling reasons for adopting Python is that such practices are impossible. It is permissibly licensed, so the threat of some corporation holding a critical part of an app hostage for licensing fees is simply not possible. Same is true for Go.

When I realized that Microsoft was killing VFP because it could make more money on other products, I swore I would never get suckered into such a situation ever again.


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[Fletcher Johnson]

I just find it funny that now Oracle is selling their language and MS is
giving theirs away (more or less). I had figured that Oracle would simply
borrow the MS approach but I guess the $$ were more important to them.

I wonder if this affects Android (or maybe losing that battle with Google is
what prompted this...)

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Post by Stephen Russell
We agree on seeing the monetary potential for java ownership was going to
bite us all.

One of the most compelling reasons for adopting Python is that such
practices are impossible. It is permissibly licensed, so the threat of some
corporation holding a critical part of an app hostage for licensing fees is
simply not possible. Same is true for Go.

When I realized that Microsoft was killing VFP because it could make more
money on other products, I swore I would never get suckered into such a
situation ever again.


-- Ed Leafe






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[Alan Bourke]

Java in the form of OpenJDK remains free. The only scenario where you have to pay for it is if you're using it against an Oracle db or something else from Oracle.

https://medium.com/@javachampions/java-is-still-free-c02aef8c9e04

(Note, I don't use Java)
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[Stephen Russell]

Thanks. We are still looking into this.

Post by Alan Bourke
Java in the form of OpenJDK remains free. The only scenario where you have
to pay for it is if you're using it against an Oracle db or something else
from Oracle.
(Note, I don't use Java)
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