Foxpro/Programming Training Question

Discussion:

Paul H. Tarver

2018-01-26 15:22:40 UTC

If you had an opportunity to teach a novice who is interested in learning
programming in general and specifically with Visual Foxpro who has limited
previous programming knowledge and experience, where would you start and are
there some preferred VFP training materials/books/videos that are
recommended.

In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2) VFP
specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to meet both
of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that as well.

Thanks in advance!

Paul

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Kurt at VR-FX

2018-01-26 15:45:59 UTC

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I know that somebody else here HAS to ask you this question - so, I
might as well be 1st!

So - Why VFP? I'm sure others will say the same thing. If someone is
going to start to learn programming - why start them off in a language
that was Killed Off by M$??

I don't mean to start a fight over this. And, I know folks will chime in
and defend VFP. Heck - I do at times too - since VFP is STILL my core
programming language. But, for a newbie - it may be best to start using
some other language that is widely in use - maybe even something like
Python - which is the 1st language my son seriously got into. He started
seriously getting into Python last year about this time - then he even
did an Internship this past summer - with a Physics researcher - writing
programs to help analyze data. He was actually 15 when he started the
Internship!

:-)

-K-

Post by Paul H. Tarver
If you had an opportunity to teach a novice who is interested in learning
programming in general and specifically with Visual Foxpro who has limited
previous programming knowledge and experience, where would you start and are
there some preferred VFP training materials/books/videos that are
recommended.
In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2) VFP
specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to meet both
of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that as well.
Thanks in advance!
Paul
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Alan Bourke

2018-01-26 16:48:55 UTC

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Post by Kurt at VR-FX
I know that somebody else here HAS to ask you this question - so, I
might as well be 1st!
So - Why VFP?

+1 sadly.

I would start with Python also, or maybe Swift if you want to do a 'bracketed' language. Don't go bloody near JavaScript unless you want to put them off for life :)
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Paul H. Tarver

2018-01-26 17:14:50 UTC

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No, I understand why you are asking the question and I don't mind providing
you with an answer.

The primary reason is that I have been looking for a replacement development
tool to do the specific work I do for the niche I serve for about five years
now and I cannot find one that meets all of my personal and business
requirements as well as Foxpro. However, in order to grow my business to the
next level, I will ultimately need at least one more programmer who can do
what I do using the tools and techniques I have developed over the last 25
years to help me accomplish that goal.

I have been operating as a lone wolf for a lot of years now but I realize I
will need to teach my methods and techniques to someone and I freely admit
my teaching skills are limited and therefore my request for suggestions. I
have been presented with an opportunity for someone who might work into a
job like an intern and I'm trying to get my options in place to give them
the best chance to succeed.

paul

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I know that somebody else here HAS to ask you this question - so, I might as
well be 1st!

So - Why VFP? I'm sure others will say the same thing. If someone is going
to start to learn programming - why start them off in a language that was
Killed Off by M$??

I don't mean to start a fight over this. And, I know folks will chime in and
defend VFP. Heck - I do at times too - since VFP is STILL my core
programming language. But, for a newbie - it may be best to start using some
other language that is widely in use - maybe even something like Python -
which is the 1st language my son seriously got into. He started seriously
getting into Python last year about this time - then he even did an
Internship this past summer - with a Physics researcher - writing programs
to help analyze data. He was actually 15 when he started the Internship!

:-)

-K-

Post by Paul H. Tarver
If you had an opportunity to teach a novice who is interested in
learning programming in general and specifically with Visual Foxpro
who has limited previous programming knowledge and experience, where
would you start and are there some preferred VFP training
materials/books/videos that are recommended.
In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2)
VFP specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to
meet both of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that

as well.

Post by Paul H. Tarver
Thanks in advance!
Paul
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Kurt at VR-FX

2018-01-26 17:30:33 UTC

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Hey Paul,

In your particular case - yes, this does now make sense.

Regards,

Kurt

Post by Paul H. Tarver
No, I understand why you are asking the question and I don't mind providing
you with an answer.
The primary reason is that I have been looking for a replacement development
tool to do the specific work I do for the niche I serve for about five years
now and I cannot find one that meets all of my personal and business
requirements as well as Foxpro. However, in order to grow my business to the
next level, I will ultimately need at least one more programmer who can do
what I do using the tools and techniques I have developed over the last 25
years to help me accomplish that goal.
I have been operating as a lone wolf for a lot of years now but I realize I
will need to teach my methods and techniques to someone and I freely admit
my teaching skills are limited and therefore my request for suggestions. I
have been presented with an opportunity for someone who might work into a
job like an intern and I'm trying to get my options in place to give them
the best chance to succeed.
paul
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Subject: Re: Foxpro/Programming Training Question
I know that somebody else here HAS to ask you this question - so, I might as
well be 1st!
So - Why VFP? I'm sure others will say the same thing. If someone is going
to start to learn programming - why start them off in a language that was
Killed Off by M$??
I don't mean to start a fight over this. And, I know folks will chime in and
defend VFP. Heck - I do at times too - since VFP is STILL my core
programming language. But, for a newbie - it may be best to start using some
other language that is widely in use - maybe even something like Python -
which is the 1st language my son seriously got into. He started seriously
getting into Python last year about this time - then he even did an
Internship this past summer - with a Physics researcher - writing programs
to help analyze data. He was actually 15 when he started the Internship!
:-)
-K-

Post by Paul H. Tarver
If you had an opportunity to teach a novice who is interested in
learning programming in general and specifically with Visual Foxpro
who has limited previous programming knowledge and experience, where
would you start and are there some preferred VFP training
materials/books/videos that are recommended.
In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2)
VFP specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to
meet both of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that

as well.

Post by Paul H. Tarver
Thanks in advance!
Paul
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Andrew Stirling

2018-01-29 10:21:32 UTC

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Paul

There are some videos free here
http://www.garfieldhudson.com/FreeVideos.aspx
There are paid for option as well.

I recall mentioning these to Dave C. when Tom came onboard as his
apprentice/replacement. Hows Tom doing anyway Dave, he must be one of
the youngest VFP programmers.

Kind regards

Andrew Stirling
01250 870397
07910467915
***@calcpay.co.uk
http://www.calcpay.co.uk

Post by Paul H. Tarver
If you had an opportunity to teach a novice who is interested in
learning programming in general and specifically with Visual Foxpro
who has limited previous programming knowledge and experience, where
would you start and are there some preferred VFP training
materials/books/videos that are recommended.
In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2)
VFP specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to
meet both of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that

as well.

Post by Paul H. Tarver
Thanks in advance!
Paul
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Ken Dibble

2018-01-26 15:48:35 UTC

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Post by Paul H. Tarver
In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2) VFP
specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to meet both
of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that as well.

I'm completely self-taught (and sometimes it shows). I don't have
much to offer on basic programming skills. I played around with Basic
in my youth briefly, and I got some formal instruction in C++ later
in life but never used it to produce anything more than training
exercises. I've briefly tinkered with Python--enough to convince
myself that I could learn it if I had to, though I've never had to.

But for VFP, I first taught myself dbXL using the examples in the
manual, and when I had to move from DOS into Windows I taught myself VFP.

The Hentzenwerke books were invaluable to me; I'm sure I never would
have developed any real-world-usable skills without them. Especially:

Hacker's Guide to Visual Foxpro 6.0 (THANKS TED!!!)
The Fundamentals by Whil Hentzen
Effective Techniques for Application Development with Visual Foxpro
(Booth & Sawyer: RIP Ms. Booth)

To a lesser extent:

Advanced Object Oriented Programming with Visual Foxpro 6.0 - Marcus Egger
Debugging Visual Foxpro Applications (Nancy Folsom; whatever happened to her?)
Visual Foxpro Report Writer - Cathy Pountney

Ken Dibble
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Dave Crozier

2018-01-26 16:20:08 UTC

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Fundamentals from Whil is a great start and I'll be giving it to our new trainee on Monday to get him up to speed before introducing him to the wonderful world of C# and Python.

The great thing is you can give the person a VFP dev system and they don't need anything else to run it unless they progress onto Client/Server - one disk, one solution - finished!

It's quick to install, reliable, with a quantifiable instruction set which people can actually learn as opposed to using C# with visual studio which takes a lot of in depth knowledge of .net before you can class yourself as an accomplished developer.

If they learn on VFP (or Pascal for that matter) it is a great grounding for progressing to other languages. All the basic programming structures are there that exist in most llanguages.

It is nice to say that VFP is still the only data centric language out there with an in-built datastore, which limited though it is (the 2Gb limit) allows the majority if not all stand alone desktop apps to be easily developed, tested and installed in both single and multi user modes.

Yes, I know Python is excellent as well as all the other "flavour of the day" languageslike Ruby, Java etc. but they all require extensions here there and everywhere to function as a true development environment and everyone has their own favourite. There isn't a one product fits all solution.

Rightly or wrongly, there is only one set of development tools in VFP and you can get to master them very quickly - then you can use your skills on other more advanced/challenging languages.

I rest my case your honour!

Dave

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If you had an opportunity to teach a novice who is interested in learning programming in general and specifically with Visual Foxpro who has limited previous programming knowledge and experience, where would you start and are there some preferred VFP training materials/books/videos that are recommended.

In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2) VFP specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to meet both of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that as well.

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Paul H. Tarver

2018-01-26 17:35:08 UTC

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+1

Paul

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Fundamentals from Whil is a great start and I'll be giving it to our new
trainee on Monday to get him up to speed before introducing him to the
wonderful world of C# and Python.

The great thing is you can give the person a VFP dev system and they don't
need anything else to run it unless they progress onto Client/Server - one
disk, one solution - finished!

It's quick to install, reliable, with a quantifiable instruction set which
people can actually learn as opposed to using C# with visual studio which
takes a lot of in depth knowledge of .net before you can class yourself as
an accomplished developer.

If they learn on VFP (or Pascal for that matter) it is a great grounding for
progressing to other languages. All the basic programming structures are
there that exist in most llanguages.

It is nice to say that VFP is still the only data centric language out there
with an in-built datastore, which limited though it is (the 2Gb limit)
allows the majority if not all stand alone desktop apps to be easily
developed, tested and installed in both single and multi user modes.

Yes, I know Python is excellent as well as all the other "flavour of the
day" languageslike Ruby, Java etc. but they all require extensions here
there and everywhere to function as a true development environment and
everyone has their own favourite. There isn't a one product fits all
solution.

Rightly or wrongly, there is only one set of development tools in VFP and
you can get to master them very quickly - then you can use your skills on
other more advanced/challenging languages.

I rest my case your honour!

Dave

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If you had an opportunity to teach a novice who is interested in learning
programming in general and specifically with Visual Foxpro who has limited
previous programming knowledge and experience, where would you start and are
there some preferred VFP training materials/books/videos that are
recommended.

In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2) VFP
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of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that as well.

Thanks in advance!

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Ricardo Araoz

2018-01-27 01:32:30 UTC

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Post by Dave Crozier
It is nice to say that VFP is still the only data centric language out there with an in-built datastore, which limited though it is (the 2Gb limit) allows the majority if not all stand alone desktop apps to be easily developed, tested and installed in both single and multi user modes.
Yes, I know Python is excellent as well as all the other "flavour of the day" languageslike Ruby, Java etc. but they all require extensions here there and everywhere to function as a true development environment and everyone has their own favourite. There isn't a one product fits all solution.
Rightly or wrongly, there is only one set of development tools in VFP and you can get to master them very quickly - then you can use your skills on other more advanced/challenging languages.
I rest my case your honour!

I don't see it that way, what's wrong with having a modular language? So
long as the modules integrate seamlessly into the language there is no
real difference between an all-in-one and a modular language. If the
integration of the modules is troublesome then you've got a big point.

In Python's case integration is fairly easy, what's difficult is
deciding which of the many available modules for each task will you use,
but hey, having a choice is good too. As for self contained datastore
you may use sqlite module.
Only thing I miss from FP is to be able to generate a self contained
executable easily and without hassle (with just one command). The other
thing that may trip you is the constant updating of the language and the
different modules you use in a project, and that sometimes they are not
in sync bringing up some hassle, but you may always choose not to update
the language and modules and do that at your own pace.

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Dave Crozier

2018-01-26 16:23:13 UTC

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... Oh and I forgot, there's reputedly a great user base full of older wiser folks out there who love to help with their years of experience..... I just can't remember how to find them though... 😊

Dave

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Paul H. Tarver

2018-01-26 17:33:42 UTC

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Thanks Ken. I own a bunch of Hentzenwerke books and I too found them
invaluable, but I read them as an experienced Foxpro programmer not a
novice, so I use them more as reference material and for examples than
anything else. In fact, on a recent project, I used a little book titled
"Using SQLite to Bypass The 2 GB .DBF Filesize Limit" book by Whil Hentzen
and edited by our very own Ted Roche to create a unique solution for a
client I actually installed this morning (Thanks for the helpful hints
Ted!).

I too was self-taught starting with TRS-80 Basic, moving to GWBasic, Dbase
II, FoxBase, Foxpro for Dos, VFP 6.0 and finally VFP 9.0. I'm able to read
and understand C++, C#, Python and several other general purpose languages.

I get that anyone can sit down with a manual or videos and learn how to
write a "Hello, World!" program, but what I can't figure out is how to teach
someone how to figure out a solution where no solution currently exists, or
more likely, how to take a solution/example and re-purpose it to solve a
different need.

Anyway, sounds like we have similar backgrounds, and I'm glad to get to know
you through this forum!

Paul

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In my opinion there are two issues: 1) Basic Programming Skills and 2)
VFP specific skills, and I'm interested in your suggestions in how to
meet both of those needs. Plus if there are other issues, let me know that

as well.

I'm completely self-taught (and sometimes it shows). I don't have much to
offer on basic programming skills. I played around with Basic in my youth
briefly, and I got some formal instruction in C++ later in life but never
used it to produce anything more than training exercises. I've briefly
tinkered with Python--enough to convince myself that I could learn it if I
had to, though I've never had to.

But for VFP, I first taught myself dbXL using the examples in the manual,
and when I had to move from DOS into Windows I taught myself VFP.

The Hentzenwerke books were invaluable to me; I'm sure I never would have
developed any real-world-usable skills without them. Especially:

Hacker's Guide to Visual Foxpro 6.0 (THANKS TED!!!) The Fundamentals by Whil
Hentzen Effective Techniques for Application Development with Visual Foxpro
(Booth & Sawyer: RIP Ms. Booth)

To a lesser extent:

Advanced Object Oriented Programming with Visual Foxpro 6.0 - Marcus Egger
Debugging Visual Foxpro Applications (Nancy Folsom; whatever happened to
her?) Visual Foxpro Report Writer - Cathy Pountney

Ken Dibble
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+1

So learn on something easy and straight forward.... AKA VFP

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If I were going to learn a language to speak and read I would not learn
Latin as the root of so many other modern languages today.

For programming today I would focus on what people want to pay for, and
that appears to be javascript.

Purely an opinion ground in how to work with cloud-based systems.
Something that so many people are looking for today.

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Stephen,
Yep, I did Latin for 4 years and can honestly say it was the worst thing at the time but has helped me more with both English, Italian and French than any lessons could do.

As for Javascript .... I agree that is not the best language in the world to use but it is the flavour of the day and as you say .... that is what the customer will pay for.

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If I were going to learn a language to speak and read I would not learn Latin as the root of so many other modern languages today.

For programming today I would focus on what people want to pay for, and that appears to be javascript.

Purely an opinion ground in how to work with cloud-based systems.
Something that so many people are looking for today.

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+1
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Revenue, revenue, revenue!

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Stephen,
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be unlawful.

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the same.

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Naushad Ali Ali

2018-01-26 17:55:33 UTC

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I m also interested in Visual FoxPro programming

What the cost for it, and how to joined...

Thierry Nivelet

2018-01-30 08:02:28 UTC

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Hi Naushad, and welcome to the Visual FoxPro developper community!

VFP programming cost a little time and $… You join already, just ask you
questions right here!

Thierry Nivelet

Post by Naushad Ali Ali
I m also interested in Visual FoxPro programming
What the cost for it, and how to joined...

Koen Piller

2018-01-27 10:21:48 UTC

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Buy ‘1001 things you want to know about Visual Foxpro’ by Andy Kramek c.s.
Published by Hentzenwerke a Must
Koen

Paul H. Tarver

2018-01-27 14:45:03 UTC

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Had it for years. Love it. Use it regularly.

Thanks
Paul

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Buy ‘1001 things you want to know about Visual Foxpro’ by Andy Kramek c.s.
Published by Hentzenwerke a Must
Koen

Ted Roche

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Hacker's Guide to Visual Foxpro 6.0 (THANKS TED!!!)

Please thank Tamar. The book blurb said it was "exhaustive and
irreverent." I was the irreverent part. By the time it shipped, Tamar
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Got this one when it first came out. Love it too. Thanks for the work you
and Tamar did on this!

Paul

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Please thank Tamar. The book blurb said it was "exhaustive and irreverent."
I was the irreverent part. By the time it shipped, Tamar was exhausted.

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Post by Ken Dibble
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Please thank Tamar. The book blurb said it was "exhaustive and
irreverent." I was the irreverent part. By the time it shipped, Tamar
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These days I get exhausted just lifting that mighty tome off from and
onto the bookshelf over my desk.

Thanks also to Tamar, whom I had the pleasure of meeting once.

Ken

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Post by Ken Dibble
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Please thank Tamar. The book blurb said it was "exhaustive and
irreverent." I was the irreverent part. By the time it shipped, Tamar
was exhausted.

These days I get exhausted just lifting that mighty tome off from and onto
the bookshelf over my desk.

We have a half-dozen of these around the office, and mostly use them
to hold up monitors :)

I say again, use the HTML-Help, Luke.

May the Fox Be With You,

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As everyone else has indicated, the best learning tool would be a time
machine. At our Museum of dusty books, we've got nearly every book
written since 3.0 (we had to toss the early ones), but Cathy
Pountney's Report book is the most dog-eared. Hackfox, as a CHM, is a
daily tool, but it requires you to know what it is you want to look
up, so it's more of a reference than a tutorial.

The Fundamentals were one of the few books with the premise of
teaching novices, so that one, surely. All the books are worthwhile,
depending on what you're doing, but too much to take on at once.

VFP documentation has Solution Samples and Foundation Classes worth
learning from.
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HELP! I've got an interview to attend?

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how to write a computer program?

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