[NF] Simple web Design Tool

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John Weller

2018-07-17 17:23:08 UTC

I have built and maintain a few very simple websites for some one-man businesses and local charities using Front Page 2003. I have now moved over to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!) but would like to use a suitable Mac product. I know there are some Mac users out there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software similar to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of these websites.

Thanks

John

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Ed Leafe

2018-07-17 17:34:22 UTC

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Post by John Weller
I have built and maintain a few very simple websites for some one-man businesses and local charities using Front Page 2003. I have now moved over to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!) but would like to use a suitable Mac product. I know there are some Mac users out there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software similar to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of these websites.

http://bfy.tw/J4uz

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Ted Roche

2018-07-17 17:52:11 UTC

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WordPress. Free or very cheap hosting on a number of sites, lots of
free templates, many free add-ons, lots of room for expansion.

Did I mention free?

Kevin Cully

2018-07-17 18:01:07 UTC

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I know you said "Free", but I really recommend purchasing website
templates from a site such as http://templatemonster.com as it saves you
hours and hours of time. I can purchase a template on sale for about
$40. For that little fee, it will give me a responsive design and I end
up with a website that looks like a million$. Yes, you can choose a
regular website, but I often purchase a WordPress template to gain the
benefits that Ted mentioned. You're not tied into a hosting package and
you can host (almost) anywhere.

If you are comfortable with Photoshop (or The Gimp) and HTML editing,
it's worth saving hours of my life for this little amount of money.

HTH.

-Kevin

Post by Ted Roche
WordPress. Free or very cheap hosting on a number of sites, lots of
free templates, many free add-ons, lots of room for expansion.
Did I mention free?

Ted Roche

2018-07-17 18:09:21 UTC

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Kevin's right. If you want top-notch sites, a purchased template is
orders of magnitude better.

Some sites are fine to get by with the templates bundled with WP. They
have gotten MUCH better over the years.

A caution not to pick up sketchy "free" templates from random
websites: they often contain questionable marketware, malwware or
other means of making money (like cryptomining) at the expense of your
clients.

If the clients are interested in SEO or running their own store,
taking donations or managing membership, there are subsystems for
that, but the price goes up.

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Kevin Cully

I know you said "Free", but I really recommend purchasing website templates
from a site such as http://templatemonster.com as it saves you hours and
hours of time. I can purchase a template on sale for about $40. For that
little fee, it will give me a responsive design and I end up with a website
that looks like a million$. Yes, you can choose a regular website, but I
often purchase a WordPress template to gain the benefits that Ted mentioned.
You're not tied into a hosting package and you can host (almost) anywhere.
If you are comfortable with Photoshop (or The Gimp) and HTML editing, it's
worth saving hours of my life for this little amount of money.
HTH.
-Kevin

Post by Ted Roche
WordPress. Free or very cheap hosting on a number of sites, lots of
free templates, many free add-ons, lots of room for expansion.
Did I mention free?

Post by John Weller
I have built and maintain a few very simple websites for some one-man
businesses and local charities using Front Page 2003. I have now moved over
to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!) but would
like to use a suitable Mac product. I know there are some Mac users out
there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software similar
to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of these
websites.
Thanks
John
John Weller
01380 723235
07976393631
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Dave Crozier

2018-07-18 08:40:02 UTC

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Elegant Themes do an addin for Wordpress called DIVI and I have used it a lot. It allows fully responsive sites that look very professional and it is just simple to use with loads of tutorials etc. Most impressive with a thriving active responsive user group.

Not free but very cheap.

https://www.elegantthemes.com/gallery/divi/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoeS3yp-o3AIVBbftCh16zQfMEAAYASAAEgKwDPD_BwE

Dave

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WordPress. Free or very cheap hosting on a number of sites, lots of free templates, many free add-ons, lots of room for expansion.

Did I mention free?

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Paul H. Tarver

2018-07-18 12:08:06 UTC

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I’ve used Elegant Themes before. Pretty good products. Good support.

I also use ThemeForest to find good WordPress themes and I’ve had good success there. Just stick to those themes with higher sales counts.

Paul

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Post by Dave Crozier
Elegant Themes do an addin for Wordpress called DIVI and I have used it a lot. It allows fully responsive sites that look very professional and it is just simple to use with loads of tutorials etc. Most impressive with a thriving active responsive user group.
Not free but very cheap.
https://www.elegantthemes.com/gallery/divi/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoeS3yp-o3AIVBbftCh16zQfMEAAYASAAEgKwDPD_BwE
Dave
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WordPress. Free or very cheap hosting on a number of sites, lots of free templates, many free add-ons, lots of room for expansion.
Did I mention free?

John Weller

2018-07-19 09:18:39 UTC

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Many thanks to all who responded - I’m constantly amazed by the breadth of knowledge and willingness to help in the Profox community. I don’t think I made myself sufficiently clear in my original post, I’m looking for a tool which will enable me to edit and update existing sites created with Front Page, not necessarily free but certainly low-cost. It appears that Amaya or Kompozer will probably do the job. I will investigate further, however the discussion on Wordpress has inspired me to re-write these sites using Wordpress in the fullness of time when I have finally got my head round the Mac :-)

Thanks again

John

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Stephen Russell

2018-07-17 18:06:25 UTC

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Yeah good luck with that request. HTML5 & CSS are the gotos. You
don't have any carts and such do you?

I'd go to youtube video after finding the "free" tool you think you want.

Post by John Weller
I have built and maintain a few very simple websites for some one-man
businesses and local charities using Front Page 2003. I have now moved
over to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!) but
would like to use a suitable Mac product. I know there are some Mac users
out there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software
similar to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of
these websites.
Thanks
John
John Weller
01380 723235
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Charles Hart Enzer, M.D.

2018-07-17 18:09:30 UTC

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I use Kompozer on WIN 10. I don't know whether there is a MAC version.

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Post by John Weller
I have built and maintain a few very simple websites for some one-man
businesses and local charities using Front Page 2003. I have now moved
over to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!) but
would like to use a suitable Mac product. I know there are some Mac users
out there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software
similar to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of
these websites.
Thanks
John
John Weller
01380 723235
07976393631
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Stephen Russell

2018-07-17 18:10:26 UTC

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Good idea to watch this.

Web Design HTML vs WordPress Which is Better?

Post by John Weller
I have built and maintain a few very simple websites for some one-man
businesses and local charities using Front Page 2003. I have now moved
over to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!) but
would like to use a suitable Mac product. I know there are some Mac users
out there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software
similar to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of
these websites.
Thanks
John
John Weller
01380 723235
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Alan Bourke

2018-07-17 18:12:31 UTC

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Post by John Weller
I have now moved
over to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!)

Or possibly Bootcamp sucks.

Anyway, +1 here for Wordpress. Why torture yourself.
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Charles Hart Enzer, M.D.

2018-07-17 18:15:57 UTC

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To keep it simple -- especially not know HTML 5, Java, and such like -- use
a What You See Is What You Get and check the coding here for free:

- https://validator.w3.org/
- https://validator.w3.org/nu/

*Shai / שי Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP*
*Aliyah <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah>: Cincinnati to Jerusalem
<http://www.gojerusalem.com/items/263/German-Colony/>'s German Colony
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Colony,_Jerusalem> May, 2017*

*Volunteer Associate Professor of PsychiatryUniversity of Cincinnati
Medical CenterWebSite: **EnzerMD.com <http://EnzerMD.com>*
*Publications* <http://www.enzermd.com/CV.html>

*The Love of Liberty is the Love of Others*
*The Love of Power is the Love of Ourselves*

-- William Hazlitt, ~1819

Post by John Weller
I have built and maintain a few very simple websites for some one-man
businesses and local charities using Front Page 2003. I have now moved
over to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!) but
would like to use a suitable Mac product. I know there are some Mac users
out there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software
similar to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of
these websites.
Thanks
John
John Weller
01380 723235
07976393631
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Eric Selje

2018-07-17 19:35:54 UTC

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+1 for WordPress. Very easy but also customizable and lots of templates.

Eric

Post by Charles Hart Enzer, M.D.
To keep it simple -- especially not know HTML 5, Java, and such like -- use
- https://validator.w3.org/
- https://validator.w3.org/nu/
*Shai / שי Charles Hart Enzer, M.D., FAACAP*
*Aliyah <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliyah>: Cincinnati to Jerusalem
<http://www.gojerusalem.com/items/263/German-Colony/>'s German Colony
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Colony,_Jerusalem> May, 2017*
*Volunteer Associate Professor of PsychiatryUniversity of Cincinnati
Medical CenterWebSite: **EnzerMD.com <http://EnzerMD.com>*
*Publications* <http://www.enzermd.com/CV.html>
*The Love of Liberty is the Love of Others*
*The Love of Power is the Love of Ourselves*
-- William Hazlitt, ~1819

users

Post by John Weller
out there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software
similar to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of
these websites.
Thanks
John
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07976393631
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Kevin Cully

2018-07-17 20:54:42 UTC

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Let me throw in a "+1 with extreme caution" for WordPress.

Pros:

1. Flexibility

2. Ease in maintaining content

3. Multiple authors can contribute content

4. Healthy plugin community

Cons:

1. As the #1 blogging platform, your site will constantly be under
attack. Patch. Patch plugins.

2. Performance can be an issue. Content is pulled from a database and
can be slower than a static site. However, there are plugins that help
with this (Who knew!?!) where they cache the pages and make the site faster.

3. Editing of advanced / responsive templates still require an experts
touch. That's you!

4. If your site gets hacked, it can take a bit to get everything back.
Yes, there is a plugin that will help you with site backups and might be
the fastest way to get a site back after a hack.

$0.02.

-Kevin

Post by Eric Selje
+1 for WordPress. Very easy but also customizable and lots of templates.
Eric

users

Ted Roche

2018-07-17 22:05:13 UTC

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Yup, You are posting dynamic content on the internet, where all four
billion users can interact with it. WordFence at a minimum for
security plug-ins. I usually use several.

Users should not be admins; they add add sketchy plugins from random
sites and get owned. As Me How I Know (tm).

Good passwords for users.

Minimize exposure: no comments unless you need them, for example.

Still and all, you get a professional-appearing templates, responsive
design, basic SEO and a site the user can edit at a pretty reasonable
price. I've used it for several not-obvious-they-are-blogs websites my
clients maintain.

Me, I prefer to design websites with ViM. (But I have a blog, too!)

On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 4:54 PM, Kevin Cully

Post by Kevin Cully
Let me throw in a "+1 with extreme caution" for WordPress.
1. Flexibility
2. Ease in maintaining content
3. Multiple authors can contribute content
4. Healthy plugin community
1. As the #1 blogging platform, your site will constantly be under attack.
Patch. Patch plugins.
2. Performance can be an issue. Content is pulled from a database and can be
slower than a static site. However, there are plugins that help with this
(Who knew!?!) where they cache the pages and make the site faster.
3. Editing of advanced / responsive templates still require an experts
touch. That's you!
4. If your site gets hacked, it can take a bit to get everything back. Yes,
there is a plugin that will help you with site backups and might be the
fastest way to get a site back after a hack.
$0.02.
-Kevin

Post by Eric Selje
+1 for WordPress. Very easy but also customizable and lots of templates.
Eric
On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 1:15 PM, Charles Hart Enzer, M.D.

users

Paul H. Tarver

2018-07-17 21:44:31 UTC

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For really simple HTML editor/creator, try Amaya. Open source & they have PC, Mac & Linux versions:

https://www.w3.org/Amaya/

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I have built and maintain a few very simple websites for some one-man businesses and local charities using Front Page 2003. I have now moved over to a Mac with Win 10 on Bootcamp (when it works - Win 10 sucks!) but would like to use a suitable Mac product. I know there are some Mac users out there :-). Can anyone recommend a very simple web design software similar to Front Page, ideally low-cost as I don’t make any money out of these websites.

Thanks

John

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