Web App without moving to far away from VFP

[Chris Davis]

Hi All

Just wondered about your recommendations / experience with any of these VFP based server side packages that enable us to leverage our exisiting knowledge and code to build simple web apps.

Basically we have a very simple app which we would like to create a browser based version of as an alternative to trying to run it as a Remote App in Terminal Services.

We like the idea of using devices in some sort of browser-based kiosk mode.

TIA.

Chris.


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[Thierry Nivelet]

Hi Chris,

FoxWeb: you need to write HTML/CSS/JS, interaction with server and
server-side processing

FoxInCloud: you just adapt your extent code ro run as a web application
and let FoxIncloud do the above mentioned, tedious work for you.
FoxInCloud Adaptation Assistant helps your adaptation process:
http://foxincloud.com/download.php

Thierry Nivelet
http://foxincloud.com/

What seems like 100 years ago I built a bunch of cool web prototypes with Foxweb. This is a VFP centric product. I was impressed.
The company still appears to be in business and has a free evaluation version.
FoxWeb
http://www.foxweb.com/
This list's very own Thierry Nivelet's company FoxInCloud appears to have some cool tech as well.
http://foxincloud.com/
Good luck,
Malcolm

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[Chris Davis]

Thanks both, I will check out FoxInCloud this evening. I think if we was to get into what it sounds like FoxWeb does we would go the whole hog and use node and learn some javascript.

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Hi Chris,

FoxWeb: you need to write HTML/CSS/JS, interaction with server and server-side processing

FoxInCloud: you just adapt your extent code ro run as a web application and let FoxIncloud do the above mentioned, tedious work for you.
FoxInCloud Adaptation Assistant helps your adaptation process:
http://foxincloud.com/download.php

Thierry Nivelet
http://foxincloud.com/

What seems like 100 years ago I built a bunch of cool web prototypes with Foxweb. This is a VFP centric product. I was impressed.
The company still appears to be in business and has a free evaluation version.
FoxWeb
http://www.foxweb.com/
This list's very own Thierry Nivelet's company FoxInCloud appears to have some cool tech as well.
http://foxincloud.com/
Good luck,
Malcolm

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[Thierry Nivelet]

Post by Chris Davis
Thanks both, I will check out FoxInCloud this evening. I think if we was to get into what it sounds like FoxWeb does we would go the whole hog and use node and learn some javascript.

FoxInCloud Live Tutorial is worth a visit as it provides a global view
on FiC: http://foxincloud.com/tutotest/bs/

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[AndyHC]

afaik AVFP is still around:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActiveVFP
https://archive.codeplex.com/?p=activevfp

I've played with it using local and GoDaddy/BigRock ms web servers, but
haven't used it in anger.

Post by Chris Davis
Hi All
Just wondered about your recommendations / experience with any of these VFP based server side packages that enable us to leverage our exisiting knowledge and code to build simple web apps.
Basically we have a very simple app which we would like to create a browser based version of as an alternative to trying to run it as a Remote App in Terminal Services.
We like the idea of using devices in some sort of browser-based kiosk mode.
TIA.
Chris.
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[Ted Roche]

I suspect any package still for sale has many good features. But I used
West-Wind Web Connect for years and never found a need it didn't meet.
While your initial app request might be a "simple" one, some of the most
complex apps I've ever built started with a "simple" request, and one
success build upon the next. Before you know it, you might outgrow a simple
framework. Not a problem with WWWC.

Post by Chris Davis
Hi All
Just wondered about your recommendations / experience with any of these
VFP based server side packages that enable us to leverage our exisiting
knowledge and code to build simple web apps.
Basically we have a very simple app which we would like to create a
browser based version of as an alternative to trying to run it as a Remote
App in Terminal Services.
We like the idea of using devices in some sort of browser-based kiosk mode.
TIA.
Chris.
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[Alan Bourke]

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[Chris Davis]

So would it be accurate(ish) to say

I would use ActiveVFP/West Wind Web Connection if I wanted to use VFP to create my Web App

And

I would use FoxInTheCloud if I wanted to use the Web to access my VFP App

?



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[Stephen Russell]

I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework
and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10
years.

Post by Chris Davis
So would it be accurate(ish) to say
I would use ActiveVFP/West Wind Web Connection if I wanted to use VFP to create my Web App
And
I would use FoxInTheCloud if I wanted to use the Web to access my VFP App
?
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[Frank Cazabon]

You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?

Frank.

Frank Cazabon

Post by Stephen Russell
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework
and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10
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[Stephen Russell]

Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in
the digital world.

I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so
many combinations to choose from.

Post by Frank Cazabon
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon

Post by Stephen Russell
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js framework
and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams for the next 10
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[Ed Leafe]

Post by Stephen Russell
Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in
the digital world.

Heh, if the members of this list cared about that, there wouldn’t be a list. ;-)


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[Stephen Russell]

Bingo!

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Post by Stephen Russell
Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion

in

Post by Stephen Russell
the digital world.

Heh, if the members of this list cared about that, there wouldn’t be a list. ;-)
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[Chris Davis]

Prior to me asking this question we had been thinking about creating a MEAN stack application, but replacing the MongoDB element of that with some node addon to work with our existing VFP data via ODBC.

So I guess creating a VFP/EAN stack 😉 Not sure how tall these stacks can be before they topple over.

I'm not sure how good the existing ODBC addons are, I've had results but mixed.

Our reason behind all of this is it would allow our existing established desktop applications to remain, and any work we do of this nature to be an extension.

Thanks everyone for the discussion around this its all good food for thought.

Chris.

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Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in the digital world.

I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so many combinations to choose from.

Post by Frank Cazabon
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon

Post by Stephen Russell
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[Tracy Pearson]

What has been done here is a VFP COM object that a C# solution uses to access the VFP data.

Since the data is still accessed by an actual 20+ year old code base from Clipper moved in to VFP, it isn't multi-user friendly all the time. So accessing the data with ADO and ODBC has caused index or memo corruption for us.

There's always multiple ways to get something accomplished.

May your adventure be fun puzzle solving!

Tracy


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Prior to me asking this question we had been thinking about creating a MEAN stack application, but replacing the MongoDB element of that with some node addon to work with our existing VFP data via ODBC.

So I guess creating a VFP/EAN stack 😉 Not sure how tall these stacks can be before they topple over.

I'm not sure how good the existing ODBC addons are, I've had results but mixed.

Our reason behind all of this is it would allow our existing established desktop applications to remain, and any work we do of this nature to be an extension.

Thanks everyone for the discussion around this its all good food for thought.

Chris.

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Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in the digital world.

I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so many combinations to choose from.

Post by Frank Cazabon
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon

Post by Stephen Russell
I would think twice about learning javascript, html, css, a js
framework and have a good chance of having positive revenue streams
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[Frank Cazabon]

Sorry, I'm still confused. It sounded to me like you said learning
javascript, html, css and a js framework would be a waste of time.

But I thought that's what is in demand now. So that's why I was asking
what exactly you were saying.

Frank.

Frank Cazabon

Post by Stephen Russell
Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in
the digital world.
I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so
many combinations to choose from.

Post by Frank Cazabon
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon

Post by Stephen Russell
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[Thierry Nivelet]

Yes, sounds like the solution was chosen before asking… like often “do like the majority”

Thierry Nivelet
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Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Sorry, I'm still confused. It sounded to me like you said learning javascript, html, css and a js framework would be a waste of time.
But I thought that's what is in demand now. So that's why I was asking what exactly you were saying.
Frank.
Frank Cazabon

Post by Stephen Russell
Nobody brought up the reality that fox technique is no longer in fashion in
the digital world.
I suggest learning what the rest of the world embraces today. There are so
many combinations to choose from.

Post by Frank Cazabon
You would think twice or you would *not *think twice?
Frank.
Frank Cazabon

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[Thierry Nivelet]

FoxInCloud builds a regular web app, just like any other tech you’re thinking of, except it builds the HTML/CSS/JS from your desktop app structure, layout, events and code, based on the belief that the Web is just another display tech that should adapt to your APP’s functionalities and design, as opposed to be a brand new world requiring a complete redesign and rewrite.

Thierry Nivelet
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Post by Chris Davis
So would it be accurate(ish) to say
I would use ActiveVFP/West Wind Web Connection if I wanted to use VFP to create my Web App
And
I would use FoxInTheCloud if I wanted to use the Web to access my VFP App
?
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[Richard Kaye]

Hi Thierry,

A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
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FoxInCloud builds a regular web app, just like any other tech you’re thinking of, except it builds the HTML/CSS/JS from your desktop app structure, layout, events and code, based on the belief that the Web is just another display tech that should adapt to your APP’s functionalities and design, as opposed to be a brand new world requiring a complete redesign and rewrite.

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[Thierry Nivelet]

Yes sure
http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php


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Post by Richard Kaye
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
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FoxInCloud builds a regular web app, just like any other tech you’re thinking of, except it builds the HTML/CSS/JS from your desktop app structure, layout, events and code, based on the belief that the Web is just another display tech that should adapt to your APP’s functionalities and design, as opposed to be a brand new world requiring a complete redesign and rewrite.
Thierry Nivelet

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[Richard Kaye]

Thanks. 😊 Silly follow-up question; are you evaluating going to the just release v7 instead of v6?
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Yes sure
http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php


Thierry Nivelet
http://foxincloud.com/
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Post by Richard Kaye
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
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[Thierry Nivelet]

Sure, v7 straight

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Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Post by Richard Kaye
Thanks. 😊 Silly follow-up question; are you evaluating going to the just release v7 instead of v6?
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Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Yes sure
http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php
Thierry Nivelet
http://foxincloud.com/
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Post by Richard Kaye
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
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Thanks again. The roadmap page still says v6.
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Sure, v7 straight

Thierry Nivelet
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Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

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Thanks. 😊 Silly follow-up question; are you evaluating going to the just release v7 instead of v6?
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Yes sure
http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php
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Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Post by Richard Kaye
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
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[Thierry Nivelet]

Soon updated!

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Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Post by Richard Kaye
Thanks again. The roadmap page still says v6.
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Sure, v7 straight
Thierry Nivelet
http://foxincloud.com/
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Post by Richard Kaye
Thanks. 😊 Silly follow-up question; are you evaluating going to the just release v7 instead of v6?
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rk
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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Web App without moving to far away from VFP
Yes sure
http://foxincloud.com/roadmap.php
Thierry Nivelet
http://foxincloud.com/
Give your VFP app a second life in the cloud

Post by Richard Kaye
Hi Thierry,
A quick FiC related question for you; any plans to update the FiC framework to sit on top of the latest WWC framework?
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Proofreading is a skill of mine. Just ask Rick... 😉
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Soon updated!

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Thanks again. The roadmap page still says v6.
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