What would you do?

[Michael Madigan]

A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.      My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands.  Open source is probably out too.  
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a DBMS package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.  
What would you migrate it to? 


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[Fernando D. Bozzo]

You may have a look at XBase++ from Alaska Software:

https://www.alaska-software.com/products/clipper-compatibility.cxp

Post by Michael Madigan
A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something
commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.
My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his
hands. Open source is probably out too.
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do? The system is relatively simple, has to support 100
simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a
internal server. Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E. a DBMS
package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.
What would you migrate it to?
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[Michael Madigan]

I will look at this, thank you

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You may have a look at XBase++ from Alaska Software:

https://www.alaska-software.com/products/clipper-compatibility.cxp

Post by Michael Madigan
A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something
commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.
My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his
hands.  Open source is probably out too.
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100
simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a
internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.  a DBMS
package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.
What would you migrate it to?
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[Jürgen Wondzinski]

Hi Michael,

even if I sound like a broken record: take a look at www.Lianja.com, and read first https://www.lianja.com/resources/the-lianja-vision

wOOdy


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A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer. My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands. Open source is probably out too.
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do? The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a internal server. Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E. a DBMS package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.
What would you migrate it to?


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[Michael Madigan]

Thank you, I will check it out. 

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Hi Michael,

even if I sound like a broken record: take a look at www.Lianja.com, and read first https://www.lianja.com/resources/the-lianja-vision

wOOdy


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A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.      My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands.  Open source is probably out too. 
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.  a DBMS package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn. 
What would you migrate it to?


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[Kevin Cully]

Xojo to a PostgreSQL database. That's what I've been doing for many many
years now.  It's a natural migration for VFP developers.

Post by Michael Madigan
A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.      My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands.  Open source is probably out too.
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a DBMS package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.
What would you migrate it to?
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[Charlie-gm]

Post by Kevin Cully
Xojo to a PostgreSQL database. That's what I've been doing for many
many years now.  It's a natural migration for VFP developers.

Postgres is open source but XoJo costs money doesn't it?

-Charlie



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[Kevin Cully]

Yes. It is $699 for the pro license. You get to build as many solutions for as many clients as you see fit. Just like the VFP license

It is free to try out. You just need the license when you compile the executable for deployment

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Post by Kevin Cully
Xojo to a PostgreSQL database. That's what I've been doing for many
many years now.  It's a natural migration for VFP developers.

Postgres is open source but XoJo costs money doesn't it?
-Charlie

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[Michael Madigan]

How is the performance?

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Xojo to a PostgreSQL database. That's what I've been doing for many many
years now.  It's a natural migration for VFP developers.

Post by Michael Madigan
A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.      My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands.  Open source is probably out too.
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a DBMS package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.
What would you migrate it to?
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[Kevin Cully]

Xojo compiles down to machine code so if there is a performance problem,
it's normally my fault.

Data handling is different than VFP, so be prepared for an adjustment in
that area.  The language is so similar, I call it "cousin" languages.

Post by Michael Madigan
How is the performance?

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[Frank Cazabon]

Kevin,

does xojo do Android apps? I think that's why I dropped it from my list
of possible new tools to learn some years ago.

Frank.

Frank Cazabon

Post by Kevin Cully
Xojo compiles down to machine code so if there is a performance
problem, it's normally my fault.
Data handling is different than VFP, so be prepared for an adjustment
in that area.  The language is so similar, I call it "cousin" languages.

Post by Michael Madigan
How is the performance?

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[Kevin Cully]

Not yet officially.  They were supposed to release it in this last
release of 2017, but it didn't make it into this release.  I believe it
will be in the first or second release of 2018.  It'll be new so may not
be feature complete.  By the end of 2018, most things should have been
shaken out.

The Xojo web apps can be made device aware so that you send down a
different page based on the type of device connected.  If you download
Xojo (free), then try out the "Eddies Electronics" web sample which
responds appropriately when connected from a computer browser and a
phone/tablet browser.

Let me know if you have more questions.

-Kevin

Post by Frank Cazabon
Kevin,
does xojo do Android apps? I think that's why I dropped it from my
list of possible new tools to learn some years ago.
Frank.
Frank Cazabon

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[Frank Cazabon]

Thanks Kevin. I'd appreciate a heads up if/when they do include it.

Frank.

Frank Cazabon

Post by Kevin Cully
Not yet officially.  They were supposed to release it in this last
release of 2017, but it didn't make it into this release.  I believe
it will be in the first or second release of 2018.  It'll be new so
may not be feature complete.  By the end of 2018, most things should
have been shaken out.
The Xojo web apps can be made device aware so that you send down a
different page based on the type of device connected.  If you download
Xojo (free), then try out the "Eddies Electronics" web sample which
responds appropriately when connected from a computer browser and a
phone/tablet browser.
Let me know if you have more questions.
-Kevin

Post by Frank Cazabon
Kevin,
does xojo do Android apps? I think that's why I dropped it from my
list of possible new tools to learn some years ago.
Frank.
Frank Cazabon

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[Kevin Cully]

No problem.  Their last release was focusing on making the IDE fully
64bit.  Just like VFP, Xojo eats their own dog food in that the Xojo IDE
is written in Xojo.  If they can make a high quality IDE 64bit with
Xojo, then your 64bit applications can be high quality as well.  (Or not
if you're a hack programmer like me!) With the 64bit IDE, you can take
advantage of all of that sweet sweet RAM that we all spent good money on! :D

I'll make the announcements on ProFox about the Xojo releases. They
happen 3-4 times a year.

Post by Frank Cazabon
Thanks Kevin. I'd appreciate a heads up if/when they do include it.

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[Jürgen Wondzinski]

Frank, just some additional food for thoughts:

Lianja does IOS, Android, Linux, MacOS, Windows apps. Either as standalone or as Appserver-based Apps.

You write them in whatever you like from this list: VFP, PHP, Phyton, Javascript, Typescript, Babel/ES6. These languages are all compiled to the same IL-code; thus you can interchangingly use whatever fits best for a specific module and you'll always find some programmers to help you out.

wOOdy


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Kevin,

does xojo do Android apps? I think that's why I dropped it from my list
of possible new tools to learn some years ago.

Frank.


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[Frank Cazabon]

Hi wOOdy,

I did check out Lanka as well a couple years ago. It was very interesting but I found the pricing and what I actually need to purchase quite confusing. Besides that it was high on my list.

Post by Jürgen Wondzinski
Lianja does IOS, Android, Linux, MacOS, Windows apps. Either as
standalone or as Appserver-based Apps.
You write them in whatever you like from this list: VFP, PHP, Phyton,
Javascript, Typescript, Babel/ES6. These languages are all compiled to
the same IL-code; thus you can interchangingly use whatever fits best
for a specific module and you'll always find some programmers to help
you out.
wOOdy
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Frank.

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[Jürgen Wondzinski]

Frank, "a couple of years ago"?
Dude... That thing moves forward quite fast.
It's not your father's tool anymore :)

wOOdy


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I did check out Lanka as well a couple years ago. It was very interesting but I found the pricing and what I actually need to purchase quite confusing. Besides that it was high on my list.



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[Alan Bourke]

Post by Michael Madigan
has to be at least as secure as Foxpro

Well, that part will be easy.
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Post by Michael Madigan
A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something
commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.     
My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of
his hands.  Open source is probably out too.  
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100
simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from
a internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a
DBMS package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.  
What would you migrate it to? 
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[Stephen Russell]

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Post by Michael Madigan
has to be at least as secure as Foxpro

Well, that part will be easy.
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hahahaha

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[Kurt at VR-FX]

Yo there Bad Steve - you Beat me to it! I was going to say - and reply
to original posting about VFP being secure - and ask WTF that was about!
Seeing as people rave how its actually MS SQL that is the Secure DB and
NOT VFP! Hmpf...

-K-

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Post by Alan Bourke

Post by Michael Madigan
has to be at least as secure as Foxpro

Well, that part will be easy.
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hahahaha

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Post by Michael Madigan
has to be at least as secure as Foxpro

Well, that part will be easy.

LMAO!!!!! I have to admit I chuckled when I saw that too.

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[Michael Madigan]

When I heard they wanted me to investigate a new program I thought it might be for security.   But the reasoning is that "Foxpro is no longer supported by the manufacturer".   Well I've never had an issue finding resolutions to problems either on here or elsewhere on the Internet, so to me there is no risk to staying on "Foxpro" other than the word "Foxpro"

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Post by Alan Bourke

Post by Michael Madigan
has to be at least as secure as Foxpro

Well, that part will be easy.

LMAO!!!!!  I have to admit I chuckled when I saw that too.

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[Frank Cazabon]

Another consideration:

http://windev.com/

Frank.

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Post by Michael Madigan
A client may be forced to convert his legacy foxpro software to something commercial and currently commercially supported by the manufacturer.      My client would prefer to keep it as is, but the decision may be out of his hands.  Open source is probably out too.
There is no software currently on the market that will do what he does the way he does it.
What would you do?  The system is relatively simple, has to support 100 simultaneous users, has to be at least as secure as Foxpro, and run from a internal server.  Id love something that works like Foxpro, I.E.   a DBMS package with a powerful programming language, and is easy to learn.
What would you migrate it to?
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