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VFP in Windows on a Mac
j***@johnweller.co.uk
2018-06-22 21:02:08 UTC
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I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only thing
stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out and buying
a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in use written in VFP
which I need to maintain. I was told recently that I could run Windows on a
Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP under Windows on a Mac?



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Richard Kaye
2018-06-22 21:10:54 UTC
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You can use the Mac RDP client if you have a Terminal Server/RDS server handy. Otherwise, Parallels will do the trick but you will need a Windows license/installation media to create a Windows VM that will run just fine.

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I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only thing
stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out and buying
a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in use written in VFP
which I need to maintain. I was told recently that I could run Windows on a
Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP under Windows on a Mac?



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j***@johnweller.co.uk
2018-06-22 21:14:45 UTC
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Thanks Richard - I have a copy of XP which I am tempted to install, no update hassle there 😊



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You can use the Mac RDP client if you have a Terminal Server/RDS server handy. Otherwise, Parallels will do the trick but you will need a Windows license/installation media to create a Windows VM that will run just fine.



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I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only thing stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out and buying a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in use written in VFP which I need to maintain. I was told recently that I could run Windows on a Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP under Windows on a Mac?





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Richard Kaye
2018-06-23 14:25:47 UTC
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Only the 20 years of Windows updates if you're installing from the original media... 😉
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Thanks Richard - I have a copy of XP which I am tempted to install, no update hassle there 😊



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You can use the Mac RDP client if you have a Terminal Server/RDS server handy. Otherwise, Parallels will do the trick but you will need a Windows license/installation media to create a Windows VM that will run just fine.
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I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only thing stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out and buying a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in use written in VFP which I need to maintain. I was told recently that I could run Windows on a Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP under Windows on a Mac?





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Alan Bourke
2018-06-23 18:21:47 UTC
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The Mac ecosystem isn't some sunlit upland TBH
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Post by j***@johnweller.co.uk
I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only thing
stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out and buying
a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in use written in VFP
which I need to maintain. I was told recently that I could run Windows on a
Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP under Windows on a Mac?
John
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j***@johnweller.co.uk
2018-06-23 19:41:23 UTC
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It can't be any worse than the nightmare I've just had installing the latest update for Windows. My wife's laptop had to go to a repair shop to get the BIOS fixed after the update trashed it. The update trashed my desktop 3 times requiring a clean install and a restore from an image! The only way I could get it in was with a clean install, install Office and VFP then update - which deleted VFP and Office so they had to be re-installed. The only benefit is that now my PC boots very quickly. I use an iPhone and iPad so thought I'll give a Mac a try as all my friends that have one says that it just works. 😊 Got to be worth a try.



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Mike
2018-06-23 19:45:11 UTC
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I'll second your experience.

Out of 42 Win 10 Pro systems that have been upgraded, 1 failed to boot
after the update and all efforts to recover the drive failed (believe
me, I tried everything!) I ended up reformatting the SSD and
reinstalling Win10 Pro.

No, I can't prove it was the update that caused it, but the timing was
uncanny.

With 147 Win 10 Pro systems still not updated, I'm not looking forward
to the next month!

Mike Copeland
Post by j***@johnweller.co.uk
It can't be any worse than the nightmare I've just had installing the latest update for Windows. My wife's laptop had to go to a repair shop to get the BIOS fixed after the update trashed it. The update trashed my desktop 3 times requiring a clean install and a restore from an image! The only way I could get it in was with a clean install, install Office and VFP then update - which deleted VFP and Office so they had to be re-installed. The only benefit is that now my PC boots very quickly. I use an iPhone and iPad so thought I'll give a Mac a try as all my friends that have one says that it just works. 😊 Got to be worth a try.
John
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Ted Roche
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It can't be any worse than the nightmare I've just had installing the latest update for Windows.
When you run Windows on a Mac, you are running Windows on a PC, the
generic name for "Personal Computers" which is another interesting
topic. No difference, same annoyances, same mediocre patching, update
issues, hardware conflicts. Apple is just another hardware vendor like
HP or Dell when it comes to running Windows.
Post by j***@johnweller.co.uk
My wife's laptop had to go to a repair shop to get the BIOS fixed after the update trashed it. The update trashed my desktop 3 times requiring a clean install and a restore from an image! The only way I could get it in was with a clean install, install Office and VFP then update - which deleted VFP and Office so they had to be re-installed. The only benefit is that now my PC boots very quickly. I use an iPhone and iPad so thought I'll give a Mac a try as all my friends that have one says that it just works. 😊 Got to be worth a try.
The security issues raised by the recent slew of CPU exploits have
sent everyone into a tizzy. Patches to prevent the exploits have
likely caused more damage than good.

It's possible the company formerly known as Apple Computer has their
act together, and their BIOS update might be more reliable.
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j***@johnweller.co.uk
2018-06-23 21:32:02 UTC
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My plan is to use the Mac for all my routine stuff, word processing, email, internet, etc and install Win 7 as the Windows version just for VFP. If it works - great, if not then it is another lesson learnt 😊



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It can't be any worse than the nightmare I've just had installing the latest update for Windows.
When you run Windows on a Mac, you are running Windows on a PC, the generic name for "Personal Computers" which is another interesting topic. No difference, same annoyances, same mediocre patching, update issues, hardware conflicts. Apple is just another hardware vendor like HP or Dell when it comes to running Windows.
Post by j***@johnweller.co.uk
My wife's laptop had to go to a repair shop to get the BIOS fixed after the update trashed it. The update trashed my desktop 3 times requiring a clean install and a restore from an image! The only way I could get it in was with a clean install, install Office and VFP then update - which deleted VFP and Office so they had to be re-installed. The only benefit is that now my PC boots very quickly. I use an iPhone and iPad so thought I'll give a Mac a try as all my friends that have one says that it just works. ?? Got to be worth a try.
The security issues raised by the recent slew of CPU exploits have sent everyone into a tizzy. Patches to prevent the exploits have likely caused more damage than good.



It's possible the company formerly known as Apple Computer has their act together, and their BIOS update might be more reliable.



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Wollenhaupt, Christof
2018-06-24 12:33:32 UTC
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I've been using a Mac as the main development machine since 2009. Before
that I had VFP running on an ESXi server in a virtual machine and RDPed
into it. Windows 10 and VFP run in a virtual machine which is so much
easier to handle. Take a snapshot regularly and when things go bad, just
turn back time. I'm running on the Mac whatever is available there, but
some things are still Windows (or are simply more convenient for me in
Windows), such as VFP, Visual Studio, MS SQL Server, FinalBuilder...
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j***@johnweller.co.uk
2018-06-24 18:19:50 UTC
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Hi Christof

I am obviously making the right decision, all of the supporting comments I've had make me feel more confident. What are you using for the VM - VirtualBox?

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I've been using a Mac as the main development machine since 2009. Before that I had VFP running on an ESXi server in a virtual machine and RDPed into it. Windows 10 and VFP run in a virtual machine which is so much easier to handle. Take a snapshot regularly and when things go bad, just turn back time. I'm running on the Mac whatever is available there, but some things are still Windows (or are simply more convenient for me in Windows), such as VFP, Visual Studio, MS SQL Server, FinalBuilder...



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What are you using for the VM - VirtualBox?
I'm using VMWare Fusion Pro. When I started virtualizing development
systems in 2007, most other products weren't ready. They either required a
lot of fiddling around or weren't cross-platform (VMWare supports Mac,
Windows and bare-bone with ESXi). I didn't want to spend time getting my
system to work instead of doing billable work.
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I made the move from Windows to Mac in Jan 2014. Had a few frustrating weeks learning slightly different keyboard shortcuts. Since then I've never looked back. Super stable. Zero support issues across 4 no-cost OS upgrades. High quality applications for all needs - I want for nothing. Highly recommended.
Same, except:

-- 2004 (started research in 1998)
-- Linux instead of Mac
-- Can't run VFP, so put it in a VM.
-- Software options are amazing.
-- Support issues in the past 15 years? Oh, yeah, a few, but resolvable.
-- Also highly recommended.

So, yeah, ABM.

(written on my toy Chromebook. Also pretty awesome.)
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I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only thing
stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out and buying
a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in use written in VFP
which I need to maintain. I was told recently that I could run Windows on a
Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP under Windows on a Mac?
Why Mac? I use Linux and WinXP in VirtualBox without any troubles for years.
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Never having been taught Unix I find Linux confusing. There are so many
distros, all different and all changing faster than the books can keep up
with them whereas the Mac is stable, well relatively.

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I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only
thing stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out
and buying a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in
use written in VFP which I need to maintain. I was told recently that
I could run Windows on a Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP
under Windows on a Mac?

Why Mac? I use Linux and WinXP in VirtualBox without any troubles for years.




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Ricardo Araoz
2018-06-24 23:41:38 UTC
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Different colours for different people. I don't want to worry about the
OS, only about the work I do IN the OS, I don't want to be bothered with
new versions every other month. So I use Ubuntu Long Term distro. It is
supported for a 5 year period, then I give it an extra 6 months for bugs
to be discovered and upgrade to the next LT version.
With my home in an individual partition and doing a brand new install
every 5 years I've never had a problem (that means you loose 4 to 6
hours every 5 years to change version).
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Never having been taught Unix I find Linux confusing. There are so many
distros, all different and all changing faster than the books can keep up
with them whereas the Mac is stable, well relatively.
John
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I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only
thing stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out
and buying a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in
use written in VFP which I need to maintain. I was told recently that
I could run Windows on a Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP
under Windows on a Mac?
Why Mac? I use Linux and WinXP in VirtualBox without any troubles for years.
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Dave Crozier
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John,
Been using Mac here as laptop solution for 5 years now using Fusion FX (Basically VMWare Workstation) and never had any problems. The Fusion runs much quicker on the Macbook Pro (3 years old I7 with 16Gb) than native on my other laptop (Dell) and security/rollback is a cinch as I have automatic snapshots in Fusion for exactly the reason(s) you stated. I would never go back to a native windows laptop again apart from the SurfacePro which I find excellent for graphical work which Fusion FX isn't particularly strong on due to video card emulation which is not top end graphics.

As for MacOSX it is simple and very intuitive and now I miss many of the touchpad swipe options available on the Mac when I occasionally move back to the Windows laptop. - hence buying a Logitech T650 touchpad which is almost as good as but not quite there!

If you want to dabble in Linux/Unix/Xenix then the Mac is a really stable tool to learn on even though you really don't have to be proficient in command line antics if you don't want.

In my experience, the only thing missing on the Macbook is a touch screen or stylus which will hopefully be remedied by the time I come to upgrade.

Dave




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Never having been taught Unix I find Linux confusing. There are so many distros, all different and all changing faster than the books can keep up with them whereas the Mac is stable, well relatively.

John

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I have had a nightmare installing the latest Win 10 update. The only
thing stopping me from throwing the PC out of the window and going out
and buying a Mac was the fact that I have a number of apps still in
use written in VFP which I need to maintain. I was told recently that
I could run Windows on a Mac - has anyone any experience of running VFP
under Windows on a Mac?

Why Mac? I use Linux and WinXP in VirtualBox without any troubles for years.




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Hi Dave



I've now bought an iMac. I was going to get a used one but was tempted and now have a new one - very impressed but already had one casualty - my printer scanner won't work properly which is a shame, it'll scan but not preview. I looked at Fusion when Christof mentioned it but when I saw Price on Application I knew it would be too expensive for my simple needs 😊



John



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John,

Been using Mac here as laptop solution for 5 years now using Fusion FX (Basically VMWare Workstation) and never had any problems. The Fusion runs much quicker on the Macbook Pro (3 years old I7 with 16Gb) than native on my other laptop (Dell) and security/rollback is a cinch as I have automatic snapshots in Fusion for exactly the reason(s) you stated. I would never go back to a native windows laptop again apart from the SurfacePro which I find excellent for graphical work which Fusion FX isn't particularly strong on due to video card emulation which is not top end graphics.



As for MacOSX it is simple and very intuitive and now I miss many of the touchpad swipe options available on the Mac when I occasionally move back to the Windows laptop. - hence buying a Logitech T650 touchpad which is almost as good as but not quite there!



If you want to dabble in Linux/Unix/Xenix then the Mac is a really stable tool to learn on even though you really don't have to be proficient in command line antics if you don't want.



In my experience, the only thing missing on the Macbook is a touch screen or stylus which will hopefully be remedied by the time I come to upgrade.



Dave





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Eric Selje
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Here's my .02:

I ran Windows on a Mac for years starting in 2007. The Macbook was a
quality piece of hardware and I considered it the finest available to run
any OS.

In the past 5 years I've seen an increasing number of problems with new Mac
hardware. It's just not the same quality as it used to be: dying screens
being the most common issue. Mac O/S upgrades go wrong as well. It's no
panacea.

OTOH I've updated over 30 machines from Windows 7 to 10 and have had zero
issues. These have all been decent quality Dell machines. If you spent as
much on a Windows PC as you're planning to spend on a Mac you'll be very
happy.

Eric
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Hi Dave
I've now bought an iMac. I was going to get a used one but was tempted
and now have a new one - very impressed but already had one casualty - my
printer scanner won't work properly which is a shame, it'll scan but not
preview. I looked at Fusion when Christof mentioned it but when I saw
Price on Application I knew it would be too expensive for my simple needs 😊
John
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07976393631
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Sent: 25 June 2018 10:15
Subject: RE: VFP in Windows on a Mac
John,
Been using Mac here as laptop solution for 5 years now using Fusion FX
(Basically VMWare Workstation) and never had any problems. The Fusion runs
much quicker on the Macbook Pro (3 years old I7 with 16Gb) than native on
my other laptop (Dell) and security/rollback is a cinch as I have automatic
snapshots in Fusion for exactly the reason(s) you stated. I would never go
back to a native windows laptop again apart from the SurfacePro which I
find excellent for graphical work which Fusion FX isn't particularly strong
on due to video card emulation which is not top end graphics.
As for MacOSX it is simple and very intuitive and now I miss many of the
touchpad swipe options available on the Mac when I occasionally move back
to the Windows laptop. - hence buying a Logitech T650 touchpad which is
almost as good as but not quite there!
If you want to dabble in Linux/Unix/Xenix then the Mac is a really stable
tool to learn on even though you really don't have to be proficient in
command line antics if you don't want.
In my experience, the only thing missing on the Macbook is a touch screen
or stylus which will hopefully be remedied by the time I come to upgrade.
Dave
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Post by Eric Selje
OTOH I've updated over 30 machines from Windows 7 to 10 and have had zero
issues. These have all been decent quality Dell machines. If you spent as
much on a Windows PC as you're planning to spend on a Mac you'll be very
happy.
FWIW I've upgraded 5 or 6 Windows 10 boxes, and aside from some old laptops taking an age to do it there have been no problems. Every time I've tried to upgrade a Linux distro on older hardware it's ended up with Wifi not working or something.
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